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With out couplers this thing can't pull any cars, so it really isn't a locomotive. None-the-less this machine which is comprised of parts from Athearn (frame and wheels) and Atlas (shell) is the fastest thing on my rails!   
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Posted - August 15 2012 : 9:25:42 PM
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 DUDE! that a very hard to find item! it came out in either the 50s or 60s
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Yes it is hard to find, I have been searching on Ebay for years for one of these. I payed quite a bit for it but it was worth it!
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I think this thing was developed back when people thought slot car racing was going to replace model railroading. Clearly someone at Atlas had a brain storm and came up with the idea of combining slot car racing, model railroading, and model airplane flying into one little package. This was the result but it clearly didn't catch on!
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Posted - August 15 2012 : 10:09:58 PM
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Looks like the thing moves right along......WOW!
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Posted - August 15 2012 : 10:31:49 PM
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Yes it is fast, I can't run it on 18 inch radius curves at full "thrust" because it will throw itself off the track!
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Posted - August 15 2012 : 11:14:06 PM
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That's awesome! Nice find 
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Posted - August 16 2012 : 12:05:48 PM
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...it's missing Robin and his sidecar.
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Posted - August 16 2012 : 12:30:44 PM
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check this out ken
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http://www.hoseeker.net/ahc/ahcsalesflier1964pg02.jpg
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Posted - August 16 2012 : 5:47:50 PM
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| Also it was either Atlas or someone else that had race cars that went on railroad tracks
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Posted - August 16 2012 : 8:26:36 PM
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quote:Also it was either Atlas or someone else that had race cars that went on railroad tracks
Originally posted by microbusss - August 16 2012 : 5:47:50 PM
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Lionel had racing cars ....
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You know, it wouldn't be hard to kitbash a home built propeller powered turbo locomotive. My "off the shelf" unit is comprised of a motor with a long armature mounted on an Athearn Hustler frame. How hard would it be to attach a model airplane body to a hustler shell to produce your own propeller powered Turbo Express?
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Posted - August 16 2012 : 9:52:35 PM
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quote:You know, it wouldn't be hard to kitbash a home built propeller powered turbo locomotive. .. How hard would it be to attach a model airplane body to a hustler shell to produce your own ?
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Probably not too hard. Will have to look into that, I was thinking the same thing. I have plenty of Hustler chassis's, but only a few of the rubber-band powered, still, would be fun to do. Put that on the project list I have. 
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Posted - August 17 2012 : 7:54:26 PM
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quote:
"Propellers whirl...
Racers speed...
And little Timmy loses the end of his finger!"
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Posted - August 17 2012 : 11:27:10 PM
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quote:
"Propellers whirl...
Racers speed...
And little Timmy loses the end of his finger!"
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True, today there would be a lawsuit. 
I'd love to see those Lionel cars, not to mention that old Aurora Bel Air.
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Posted - August 18 2012 : 05:00:11 AM
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Nelson, and Eric, WELL if this is true "True, today there would be a lawsuit." and this is true ""Propellers whirl...
Racers speed...
And little Timmy loses the end of his finger!""
The only way would be for me to add a METAL blade on the props!
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Posted - August 18 2012 : 11:03:09 PM
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According to the advertisement, the purchaser was meant to decorate their propeller car with stickers, do you think I should paint my turbo racer up (it's just raw black plastic) or should I just leave it be? I wish there was a way to get more of the shells so I wouldn't feel guilt about painting one up.
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Posted - August 19 2012 : 12:12:13 AM
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how big is the shell?
I could cast them in resin plastic, VERY easily! without worry of patent rights as its age well............ its older then 7 years!
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The shell is about the size of an HO scale box car, how much would it cost to make a few copies?
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Posted - September 06 2012 : 7:47:31 PM
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| Is that chassis the same as the Athearn/Lionel unit with rubber band drive? With your shell off they look the same. I've got one sans bands, but I don't think it would move all that well on its own, let alone by propeller drive. You're giving me crazy ideas if they are the same!
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Posted - September 06 2012 : 8:29:57 PM
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Well, here's one of those HO-gauge Lionel race cars. I know it's gear drive, but doesn't that chassis look a bit familiar?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LIONEL-HO-068-EXECUTIVE-INSPECTION-CAR-YELLOW-RACE-CAR-6414-AUTO-NICE-/130751324446?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1e7162e11e
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Posted - September 06 2012 : 9:33:09 PM
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So that's what those Lionel cars were like. Is there anything that hasn't been put on a Hustler/Husky chassis over the years? 
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elec-trick-train-plane-automobile...
"And now, here is it's debut run, the... uh... Thing on... uh, rail, er, road... tracks... that propeller is really... uh propelling that... (see previous identification given) ... that, uh "Whatzit" go! So fast it's coming off the rail... er rails... "
...hmmm, rails providing power to the motor, to propel it fast enough to take flight... and right before a curve... a nose-point landing, SPLAT.  
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Posted - November 23 2012 : 11:53:50 AM
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| I passed on one at $60 in September. Wonder if that was a mistake or not? It was the red one.
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Posted - November 24 2012 : 5:19:49 PM
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Was this the "BATLOCOMOBILE" that Robin got caught speeding in years ago????
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Posted - January 06 2014 : 12:36:04 PM
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| Can you believe that I have actually seen photos of a German prototype for something very similar called a Rail Zeppelin. The thought of a huge spinning prop pulling in to a station platform gives me shivers.
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Posted - January 06 2014 : 3:33:06 PM
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quote:Can you believe that I have actually seen photos of a German prototype for something very similar called a Rail Zeppelin. The thought of a huge spinning prop pulling in to a station platform gives me shivers.
Originally posted by metalsmith1Â -Â January 06 2014Â :Â 12:36:04 PM
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Yes, someone has made that HO "engine", back in the 50's?, and also a recent re-pop. Both sell for over $200. I want one! One of my club members actually has an original , and he DCC'ed it and runs it at shows sometimes. FAST! I think Marklin did one, not sure about the 2-rail version. That was a concern, with people being so close to the prop at rail stations, I think they posted guards to keep curious people from getting too close to it. I believe it was destroyed during the war, or dismantled.
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Posted - January 06 2014 : 4:51:00 PM
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quote: quote:Can you believe that I have actually seen photos of a German prototype for something very similar called a Rail Zeppelin. The thought of a huge spinning prop pulling in to a station platform gives me shivers.
Originally posted by metalsmith1Â -Â January 06 2014Â :Â 12:36:04 PM
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Yes, someone has made that HO "engine", back in the 50's?, and also a recent re-pop. Both sell for over $200. I want one! One of my club members actually has an original , and he DCC'ed it and runs it at shows sometimes. FAST! I think Marklin did one, not sure about the 2-rail version. That was a concern, with people being so close to the prop at rail stations, I think they posted guards to keep curious people from getting too close to it. I believe it was destroyed during the war, or dismantled.
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I have the Marklin version - 3 rail. I saw it once when I was a kid at FAO Schwartz, and always thought about owning it as it was so different. Finally got it about 10 years ago. Its the only Marklin piece I have. Its in storage - here is what it looks like:
And the real one years ago:
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Posted - January 07 2014 : 02:22:57 AM
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| What is interesting is that the model runs on conventional 4 wheel tucks while the prototype photos appear to be on single axles front and rear. It makes me wonder about the stability of the prototype and the potential for excessive oscillations of the carbody at high speed.
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Posted - January 07 2014 : 12:08:31 PM
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The relatively sharp curves of model track would necessitate 4-wheel trucks on the model. I do wonder though if the seemingly long wheelbase on the prototype caused problems on curves. It's possible though that the prototype's wheelbase was no longer than, say, a 4-coupled steam locomotive.
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Posted - January 07 2014 : 10:43:35 PM
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Apparently it had some trouble itself. From the Wikipeda page - "In 1932 Kruckensberg (the German engineer who designed it) began a new project with the rail car involving significant modifications. It was cut just behind the forward wheels and received a complete new front end with a two-axle bogie"
You can read about it here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schienenzeppelin
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Posted - January 07 2014 : 11:54:50 PM
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| hi, this is an unrelated question. I just finished working on a replica train set of the passenger train from the classic film "Silver Streak". I just bought all the track to complete my layout, and one problem occurred, the lead unit which i think may be an Athearn couldn't pull the heavy consist by itself (being the only powered unit on the train, while the other engine is a dummy unit) the train did move but very slowly and the wheels on the engine kept spinning alot. i bought the passenger cars and the engines used at various train shows, and the lead engine from a local pawn shop. My question is if i were to buy another powered cp rail unit in place of the dummy and place it facing backwards from the lead unit,(like in the movie) could that improve the pulling power or would that damage both engines or cause them to pull against one another? i've tried to search this online and could find nothing on it. thanks!
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Posted - January 08 2014 : 12:18:29 AM
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| They will run just fine together, it is commonplace to run multiple powered units with no problem. If they are Athearn and you are using metal couplers such as Kadees, you could get intermittent shorts between the engines if the couplers boxes are not insulated. if you are running an A-B unit lashup however you can orient the chassis to run in the same direction and have no problems. Flip over the B-unit and look for the tapered end of the chassis and this will be the front, or look for the steam generator detail on the roof, this will be the rear of the unit.
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Posted - January 08 2014 : 8:40:12 PM
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| Nkpberk755, how many cars in your Silver Streak consist? Its possible if the engine is not Athearn, the wheels spinning may mean there is a traction tire missing. Or the engine may not have enough weight to pull all the cars. Some of the lower end engines do not have enough weight to pull more than 3 or 4 cars.
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Posted - January 08 2014 : 8:54:55 PM
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quote:The lead unit which i think may be an Athearn couldn't pull the heavy consist by itself (being the only powered unit on the train, while the other engine is a dummy unit) the train did move but very slowly and the wheels on the engine kept spinning alot. i bought the passenger cars and the engines used at various train shows, and the lead engine from a local pawn shop.
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Athearns pull together well with each other. I have checked a Stewart unit and an Athearn together and they differ in speed, so try to make your second engine another Athearn.
Another thing to look at is weight. Some Athearn F-7's have a big zamac weight straddling the motor and some do not. If yours does not, you could add a substantial amount of weight to it and not overload the motor. That would help with the wheel slip.
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Posted - January 08 2014 : 10:16:20 PM
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| Yes I agree, Athearn offered what they called a super F-7 that had a giant weight added to the chassis in lieu of flywheels. One of these things will pull a house down. Another option is to ream out the axle points of the cars with an Exxact Socket tool. Even with the factory axles they will roll much smoother and with less effort.
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Posted - January 08 2014 : 10:55:02 PM
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quote:Athearn offered what they called a super F-7 that had a giant weight added to the chassis in lieu of flywheels.
Originally posted by metalsmith1Â -Â January 08 2014Â :Â 10:16:20 PM
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Or shall we say, "in addition to flywheels?"
 
Athearn did a nice job on this chassis.
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Posted - January 09 2014 : 01:04:19 AM
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| For some reason they offered both versions concurrently, never have figured out exactly why, but it seems to me that the non-flywheel version was a couple of bucks cheaper.
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Posted - January 09 2014 : 06:22:28 AM
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| One was cheaper than the other. In the 1970s a few dollars one way or the other still made a difference to people.
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Posted - January 09 2014 : 3:25:10 PM
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quote:I think this thing was developed back when people thought slot car racing was going to replace model railroading. Clearly someone at Atlas had a brain storm and came up with the idea of combining slot car racing, model railroading, and model airplane flying into one little package. This was the result but it clearly didn't catch on!
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I thought Mantua was the one that offered those. Looks a little like the cast iron toys I woul send flying across the dining room floor and into the tsble legs on my grandmothers antique oak table. Needless to say, that was not one of my best ideas
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Posted - January 09 2014 : 3:26:49 PM
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quote:Yes it is fast, I can't run it on 18 inch radius curves at full "thrust" because it will throw itself off the track!
Originally posted by Srenchin - August 15 2012 : 10:31:49 PM
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Bet it would a job if it T-bonsd a slot car!
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| I'd love to have them cars that went on HO track
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Posted - January 09 2014 : 3:34:24 PM
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| The pics of the slot cars that ran on RR tracks has me thinking, if they came in a set designed to run on a roadway system that included HO rails, then it logically follows that HO scale rail equipment would also work on the street system. This system would therefore make an incredible find for anyone building a traction system or a layout with extensive street trackage.
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Posted - February 02 2014 : 02:51:57 AM
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Guess what I found at a swap meet today! I think I paid too much for it but it was the only one in the place so I am not complaining. I will go out on a limb and say yes, it does qualify as a locomotive, er sort of, I guess, in a way, I suppose...whatev 
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Posted - February 09 2014 : 01:41:41 AM
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Here is one by Lionel that I found in a model train museum in Crans Montana Switzerland. 
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Posted - February 09 2014 : 12:25:47 PM
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quote:The pics of the slot cars that ran on RR tracks has me thinking, if they came in a set designed to run on a roadway system that included HO rails, then it logically follows that HO scale rail equipment would also work on the street system. This system would therefore make an incredible find for anyone building a traction system or a layout with extensive street trackage.
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Lionel 027 is doing that concept with vehicles
Its called SuperStreets
http://www.lionel.com/Products/Finder/SearchResults.cfm?doAction=Browse&CategoryID=452
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Posted - February 22 2014 : 3:53:17 PM
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Tri-ang, a British model railroad company also made one of these. Here's a picture of it that I found online.
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Posted - February 28 2014 : 01:37:42 AM
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| That's crazy but I love it It even looks British>
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Posted - February 28 2014 : 11:34:27 AM
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quote:That's crazy but I love it It even looks British>
Originally posted by metalsmith1Â -Â February 28 2014Â :Â 01:37:42 AM
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I think it's kinda cool too.It extremely rare though so I doubt anyone could find one. Let alone in the UK.
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Posted - February 28 2014 : 12:17:30 PM
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hi nice battlespace turbo car,the triang battlespace pieces are highly collectable see link,ken
http://www.tri-ang.co.uk/battleturbo.htm
they go for between £17-40 in fair condition
£41-80 in good condition
£81-350 in near mint to mint condition
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Posted - February 28 2014 : 2:27:20 PM
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American Prototype "Does this even QUALIFY as a locomotive"
I wonder if it was outfitted with ejection seats?
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