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 Posted - July 03 2012 : 6:25:42 PM
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I was looking at this red box listing today and I noticed that the combine has six passenger windows instead of the usual five, and the coach has eight wide windows instead of the usual seven. Were early Tyco cars longer than the later ones? - Thomas
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Posted - July 03 2012 : 7:43:26 PM
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The A.C. Gilbert Company (American Flyer) supplied Tyco with passenger car shells in 1959.
The Gilbert shells can be found in Baltimore & Ohio and Canadian Pacific roadnames.
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Posted - July 03 2012 : 9:41:15 PM
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Ah, I learned something new. Thank you!
So did Tyco then tool it's own shorter cars and base them on the Gilbert cars? They look so much alike, except for the number of windows.
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Posted - July 03 2012 : 10:09:38 PM
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| Tyco started to produced their own passenger cars in 1960. Both the Gilbert and Tyco cars were based on the corrugated Budd passenger cars.
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Posted - July 04 2012 : 3:57:24 PM
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real neat cars & I has the later CP Rapido observation one
Do want the UP versions 
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Posted - August 24 2012 : 12:02:16 AM
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As I understand, the Gilbert-made cars were actually scaled for S scale (1/64) as Gilbert's own American Flyer was made in S scale proportions. They are significantly larger than Tyco's own HO (1/87.1) scale passenger cars. By themselves they don't look too out of place, but next to Tyco cars the difference is notable.
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Posted - August 24 2012 : 08:39:26 AM
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| The A. C. Gilbert Company also produced HO scale trains (1/87).
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Posted - August 24 2012 : 08:44:41 AM
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quote:The A. C. Gilbert Company also produced HO scale trains (1/87).
Originally posted by waw47Â -Â August 24 2012Â :Â 08:39:26 AM
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True even I have ONE car Its the C&O dump car Even the serial number of the set is on the car itself
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Posted - August 24 2012 : 4:40:28 PM
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As it turns out, I'm the lucky bidder who ended up winning that auction I'd been meaning to post some pictures, but I never quite got around to it  Here's a quick cellphone pic to show their size. The AF car is on the bottom, the Pennsy car on top is a Tyco.
As you can see they both fit comfortably in identical boxes. Size-wise they are almost identical, their lengths being the only major exception...the AF-made car is slightly longer than the Tyco.
The body details are a little different. I'll post a thread later on that shows the differences 
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Posted - August 24 2012 : 7:14:15 PM
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| Cheez, I'm looking forward to your post. I don't know why these little differences are so interesting and compelling, but they are. --Thomas
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Posted - August 24 2012 : 8:09:08 PM
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Well that's the fun of collecting old stuff like this, right? Picking through the tiny, obscure differences
I'll try and get the pictures posted in the next week or two. It is a neat comparison. Honestly, it looks like whoever designed the body for the Tyco streamliners was given an AF car and told "make it look like this" 
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Posted - August 24 2012 : 8:17:46 PM
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| I HOPE you find some of those Tyco RB passenger cars in Union Pacific
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Posted - August 24 2012 : 9:30:31 PM
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I have been reading a train guide this past week, and reading up on American Flyer, they traded off with Mantua/ Tyco, sometimes they used Tyco stuff, other times Tyco used AF stuff. It was an interesting relationship in HO trains.
Jerry
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Posted - August 25 2012 : 12:52:21 AM
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In 1959, American Flyer supplied Mantua/Tyco with passenger car shells. In turn, Mantua/Tyco produced the FY&P Frontiersman Set (33099) for American Flyer. That is the extent of their trading.
Varney produced hoppers, tank and stock cars for American Flyer in 1955 & 1956. American Flyer also used Varney F3s Diesels from 1955 to 1959.
Tru-Scale made a crane, ballast car and boom car for American Flyer from 1959 thru 1963.
Ideal Models made many accessories for American Flyer from 1962 to 1963.
Plasticville made the Cheshire Station from 1955 to 1957 for American Flyer.
I think that is most of the American Flyer HO collaborations.
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Posted - August 27 2012 : 11:34:59 AM
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Here is the topic posted with the photo comparison:
http://tycoforums.com/tyco/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12116
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