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 Posted - June 28 2012 : 6:59:17 PM
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I found this Tyco/Mantua Pacific untouched in an estate collection of HO trains. All the trains were from the 1940's to 1960's, most haven't seen the light of day since then. The collection was located around the Philly/NJ area.
I have never seen one with a number stamped on the side of the tender. It is a factory stamp too in the same style as the the rest of the engine. The other side of the tender though has no number stamped, and never had one. I hate to throw around the term 'production sample', but in 20+ years of collecting Tyco/Mantua I haven't seen this variant before. Does anyone have better information out there?
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Posted - June 28 2012 : 7:23:22 PM
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How odd! Interesting model.
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Posted - June 28 2012 : 8:44:36 PM
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Guys........ ohhhh guys......I got a question, have a look at the tender! For the age of it, whats different?
If thats a Mantua, (which it is), from the 40's to the 60's, wouldn't it have a metal tender? That tender is the plastic one as it has the "molded in coal" I have a couple of the Mantua metal tenders, that looks just like the newer plastic one, that you the consumer had to add your own "coal" into it.....
Interesting theres no numbers on the side of the tender, but that was a Santa Fe thing wasn't it?
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Posted - June 28 2012 : 8:57:06 PM
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* Those metal tenders came with a metal coal insert . When lost the owner would have put in coal. If you were a DL&W modeler you would have put in coal that was in larger pieces. The Lackawanna used rock coal (anthracite ). It was hard coal and burned very clean.
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Posted - June 28 2012 : 9:15:13 PM
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| put in coal Eh? I'd use REAL Wyoming coal in mine if I had one
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Posted - June 29 2012 : 01:26:50 AM
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Frank,
This is true, HOWEVER the dead givaway that the tender is plastic, is the fact that tops of the rear ladder is a solid section, and molded into the shell! The metal tenders, had the hand applied ladder that was made of brass.....
Add coal? Pennsylvania coal is what I have, and in my modeling, thats what they used in real life in and around my home area!
Wasn't the Wooten fireboxes good for burning Anthracite as well? Thats why they used the wide fire boxes?
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Posted - June 29 2012 : 07:28:13 AM
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John : The temder I see with the 908 on one side looks like a standard plastic tender. Put in a blow up the picture of the tender showing this different detail.
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Posted - June 29 2012 : 11:47:28 AM
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Frank, Yes we know its plastic, but for whats been stated as its age, shouldn't that Mantua have a metal tender? That was my point.
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Posted - June 29 2012 : 12:14:47 PM
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John ; it looks like it has a plactic tender, cab, and pilot. Is that correct? if so it is a standard Tyco pacific. Does the drive have a worm gear under a cast metal cover attached to the frame. That is what the old pacifics had.
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Posted - June 29 2012 : 12:30:12 PM
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What he's getting at is different is the numerals heat stamped on the tender.
That said, in March I got a bunch of engines and inspected others from out of an estate and at some point this guy found a way to screen his private name on the engines, before custom decals became relatively easy to come by I guess - a few had even been decalled over the stamp when he updated the paint scheme a little. So it may not mean anything.
I also have a couple of Tyco shifters with a brown painted cab and factory #99 on the side, I've never been able to find out what the story is on them. I've bought the only two I've ever seen, and one was beat past the point of a parts engine.
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Posted - June 29 2012 : 6:28:17 PM
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lvrr325,
Here is the answer to your brown cab shifter. It is part of a set made by Tyco for GHC distributor. It was sold by GHC as a generic HO train set, but all the pieces are Tyco/Mantua cars. Even the box is an early Tyco style set box. I got this last year at a flea market, in PA looks like it has never been used.
As far as the '908' tender, here are some close-up photos of the tender, '908', and the cab number. It looks like the cab and tender number are the same style of number to me. This variation of the pacific has the plastic tender. This is the only piece in the estate that had a number like this everything else was decals or crudely hand painted.
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Posted - July 02 2012 : 2:21:33 PM
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| I have found that some of that lettering is pretty easy to remove. Is it possible the tender was deco'd on the other side at one point? Still, I don't know that I've seen a "908" tender before, which makes it interesting in any side. Er, I mean "case".
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Posted - July 02 2012 : 2:46:47 PM
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Maybe it was done to promote the new area code. 
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Posted - September 16 2012 : 11:44:35 AM
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I have one like the Pacific but it has TYCO on both sides of the tender anf the whole thing is metal with the old style hook and loop coupleings. I've been trying to find info on it and want to know what years this was made. Pete
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Posted - September 16 2012 : 1:46:38 PM
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Hi Pete !
That is a good one ! You have a nice old original all cast metal version of the TYCO Pacific. Not a bad locomotive to have. Dont do anything silly like repainting it. Clean it up. Carefully touch up the paint. It is a keeper.
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Posted - September 17 2012 : 06:09:36 AM
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Norman,
Yeah, thats a keeper! I would do much to it but clean it up a bit, and maybe touch up the paint if at all possible but for Gods sake, don't "repaint" the whole locomotive!
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