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 Posted - May 11 2012 : 12:18:04 AM
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ever since ifinished restoring my dads old mantua shifter i thought my problem treak was over. First i couldnt get it to run smooth but that was a pickup problem. I decided i'd paint the parts supplier 0-4-0s tender and use it on SCVR #5. i painted the shell and the trucks but not the frame or top of trucks where it touches the frame. I hooked up the wire to the tender and nothing happened, i tried nudging it and nothing happened. I've got no hints, any help?
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Posted - May 11 2012 : 04:10:05 AM
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The needle bearing's hole on the trucks should be paint free. are the brass wheels on the correct side?
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Posted - May 11 2012 : 07:30:00 AM
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Because of those Mantua needle bearings Justin is talking about, their pickup isn't the most reliable...I ended up adding axle wipers to the tender trucks...
Edited by - shaygetz on May 11 2012 07:30:55 AM
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Posted - May 11 2012 : 11:58:23 AM
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How handsome Bob! Gotta post a tutorial on that!
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Posted - May 11 2012 : 12:40:30 PM
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| hi bob also adding a third metal wheel helps,ie all metal one side ken
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Posted - May 11 2012 : 1:19:00 PM
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Check to make sure there is NO paint in the bolster of the frame of the tender, nothing in the axle point sockets of the truck frames, and the top of the truck wherei t sits into the bolster is paint free, and then on the top inside of the tender, is getting power.
Take you power pack with alligator clips and clip one end to the frame, where its bare metal, and then touch the other end in ALL these locations to see if it throws a short.
IF it doesn't throw a short you've found the place you need to remove paint and or some debri.
Alsi make sure there is nothing hindering the wiring inside the tender....sometimes the rear back up light wiring can be causing a short that will hinder it as well.
HTH
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Almost forgot to mention, make SURE the tender trucks are picking up electric from the OPPOSITE side of the rail then the locomotive is! VERY common mistake, to have pick ups on both loco and tender picking up the same rail.......Which must be loco on one rail, and the tender on the other rail!
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Posted - May 11 2012 : 2:18:46 PM
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Hey John;
to complete the circut, right?
OK exhausted my electrics knowledge.... 
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Posted - May 11 2012 : 6:40:10 PM
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quote:How handsome Bob! Gotta post a tutorial on that!
Originally posted by Redneck Justin - May 11 2012 : 11:58:23 AM
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By your command....
http://misterbobsmodelworksemporium.blogspot.com/2011/08/mantua-ho-scale-cm-rr-2-6-2-prairie.html
http://misterbobsmodelworksemporium.blogspot.com/2012/01/mantua-4-6-4-heavy-pacific.html
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Posted - May 11 2012 : 8:15:10 PM
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Absolutely Gareth, you hit that spike directly, straight into the tie!
Yes to complete the circuit!
Also while thinking of it, SCVR be sure that the drivers on your Shifter are picking up on one side only, a reversed set of drivers will throw a short and cause what you have going on as well!
To tell, look at the INSIDE of the drivers, the isolated driver will show a thin white strip between the driver tire and the spokes! This indicates the isolated driver. IF painted over, take your alligator clips and grab the axle of the driver set and then take the other alligator clip and touch the drivers tread, or tire to see if it shorts, if it doesn't short thats the isolated driver if it does short that the power pick up driver, do this to both axles to tell if you can't see the white strip on the backside of the drivers! ONLY ONE SIDE will have the white strip of the driver set!
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Posted - May 12 2012 : 12:12:41 AM
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Who ever told me to flip the trucks was right!! I just unscrewed them turned them around and it ran, needed a heavy wheel clean but thanks to all of you I can finally enjoy my 5 yeAr long project as it runs down the track. I never thought I'd ever see it run, I had intentions to when i first got it but I didn't think it'd be this good! Ive taken all the spare parts I have from SCVR 5 and the parts engine I bought. Ive created yet another mantua 0-4-0 project called "SCVR #99" I've already painted the metal boiler, frame and gear plate, and I used the tender I restored for SCVR 5 at first (then I rebuilt another that came out better ) and I just finished installing the polished bell, and cleaned chrome plated piping. Even with all the parts from both 0-4-0s I still need wheel bearings, and to repair the spare drawbar. Other than that I've got everything I need! I had a buddy of mine requarter SCVR 5s ORIGINAL drive wheels now they are ready to roll! I restraightend SCVR 5s orginal rods as well. SCVR 99 will be a slow on off project much like #5 but it Wont take nearly as long considering I'm already 60% done. All I need is wheel bearings.
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Posted - May 12 2012 : 3:33:40 PM
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SCVR,
I believe that was myself that said about checking position of the trucks in a more intense way of describing it to you.....
The parts for the second one, you need the "U" brass bearings and a drawbar? I have BRAND NEW parts for those! If interested, PM me on them!
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Posted - May 12 2012 : 11:06:53 PM
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Ahhh... you are learning Grasshopper. Always check wheel orientation when it doesn't run or shorts after reassembling. Start with the simplest possibility.
Of course I still do it myself... 
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Posted - May 12 2012 : 11:21:26 PM
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LOL Nelson, WE ALL DO! I been at this for some timer and I too, still assemble the truck wheels on the wrong side, (Not paying attention to those on the locomotive!
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Posted - May 12 2012 : 11:30:21 PM
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The worst is when you check them first and STILL do it! 
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Posted - May 12 2012 : 11:42:45 PM
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Nelson, I'm having more trouble with my mdc 0-6-0 and instead of posting another topic I might as well ask you here. I stripped my mdc 0-6-0T AGAIN to paint the wheel faces black and the main rods and drive rods match all black. The I screwed myself causes the front and rear drive wheels are the same and I don't know which sides which the drive geared wheel I know but not the other. I have not reinstalled the rods yet cause the engine doesn't work. All the motor does is spark up a storm as do the drive wheels. I switched Around the front and rear drive wheel multiple times and nothing happens any ideas??
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Posted - May 13 2012 : 12:13:55 AM
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So is it shorting or just doing nothing? Does the motor run okay when power is directly applied?
If You don't have an ohm meter, a quick cheat is to hook jumpers with alligator clips to your transformer. Connect one jumper to a driver axle, and briefly touch the other jumper to each wheel. The one on each set that doesn't cause a short is the insulated driver. Make note of all 3 insulated drivers, and install them on the side with the pickup wipers.
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Posted - May 13 2012 : 12:19:17 AM
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quote:LOL Nelson, WE ALL DO! I been at this for some timer and I too, still assemble the truck wheels on the wrong side, (Not paying attention to those on the locomotive!
Originally posted by EM-1Â -Â May 12 2012Â :Â 11:21:26 PM
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Those who know anything about Mantuas can see in the picture where I was heading to electrical disaster on my tender...
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 Posted - May 13 2012 : 12:52:38 AM
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quote:
Those who know anything about Mantuas can see in the picture where I was heading to electrical disaster on my tender...
Originally posted by shaygetz - May 13 2012 : 12:19:17 AM
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Obviously you need to flip the drivers over.
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Posted - May 13 2012 : 01:24:08 AM
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Yes, the motor has ran fine all the time but yes the wheels keep shorting, the motor won't turn with the wheels on and the commutator throws some sparks as do the drive wheels.
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Posted - May 13 2012 : 01:38:24 AM
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SCVR,
Look on the drivers to see if your MDC has a flipped driver! Sounds to me that you have one driver shorting, you need to FIND all 3 drivers that pick up power, and put them in the frame on the opposite side of the frame from the contact wiper as that picks power off the isolated drivers. I bet once you find which is which it will run fine!
Take the drivers, one at a time and couple or grab the axle with an alligator clip, and touch the other alligator clip to the driver "treads" or even the flanges, the one that throws a short is the open driver, the other driver on the opposite end of the axle needs to touch the electrical wiper. Do this 3 times and you'll be good to go!
HTH
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Posted - May 13 2012 : 01:41:04 AM
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LOL @ Mantua's, they can be a real pain in the ***.....As that happens to the best of us trying to get him on the rails for the roster.....
Nelson, My God, you don't know how much I had to frig with Mantuas over the years look to be sure I had them on the correct side of the locomotive to find out I did it the opposite way I should have! ERRRRRR My wife just laughs at me when I tell her stuff like that!
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Posted - May 13 2012 : 02:05:14 AM
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Thanks for the advice guys! If I get my mdc 0-6-0T back together and running she will go back to her original owner in Oregon cause I'm fed up with the issues on the this engine. The former owner my friend Donald said when I first got her if u work on it and if It u don't enjoy how it runs send it back and I'll switch it with another engine of ur choice (in the same group of engines) so I'll talk to him and see if he'll take it back and I'll get a mantua pony or rio grande big six.
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