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 Posted - January 16 2012 : 2:56:37 PM
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recently i just bought a weyerhaeuser 0-6-0T It ran rough when i first got it because the guy who i bought it from built it as a kit only a few months ago but he never ran it just assembled it and that was it. I've been lubricating it regularly and can easily see that the engine runs 50 times better but the one problem i'm havign is how loud it is when it goes foward, it runs decent but loud. Is there anything i can do to fix that "easily"!
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Posted - January 17 2012 : 12:32:08 AM
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Check for flash... extra metal or plastic that may be interfering with the gears.
Also, if you are the first to make this locomotive run, it may well need it's motor brushes to seat.
You said it runs forward loudly.
Here is a common principle about seating: If someone wants to operate a brand-new automobile on synthetic oil, it must first have petroleum oil in order for the bearings and crankshafts to properly seat.
While the lubrication you applied has it running much smoother, it may have too much oil for it/the brushes, to seat properly.
The older locomotives need a good break-in period. Get the brushes formed to the curvature of the poles.
Grease up the gears from the shaft to the axles, but not the motor brushes. Running in one direction quietly and easily is Not a good thing. It could create a chirping sound, perhaps because the unseated/uncurved/unformed brush is actually rotating.
Newer model locomotives are needing less or no "break-in" period.
That's my experience and guess.
Anyone else's input?
John
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Posted - January 17 2012 : 01:33:35 AM
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Thanks Buddy, I'll sure have to try that and I used the engine everyday for 5 days and ran it each time for 5-10 minutes. Also when I had the boiler removed to fix some wiring problems I noticed it ran quietly. Weird huh..
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Posted - January 17 2012 : 9:39:30 PM
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quote:Thanks Buddy, I'll sure have to try that and I used the engine everyday for 5 days and ran it each time for 5-10 minutes. Also when I had the boiler removed to fix some wiring problems I noticed it ran quietly. Weird huh..
Originally posted by SCVR66Â -Â January 17 2012Â :Â 01:33:35 AM
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Run it continuously, with no load , in one direction for 3-5 minutes at one speed, reverse direction and run continuously 3-5 minutes...
Increase the speed and repeat, running about 10 minutes in each direction. Again, with no load.
I understand that may be a bit difficult, no loads. But you want this locomotive to run excellent continuously.
Then, afterwards lube up everything moveable and the parts that hold them.
I have used petrol-based products for lubricant... Vaseline or Blistex, or the stuff that comes from a tube of GNC skin-soother...
Put a light coat of Blistex on a section of track that ends, like a bumper or wall, get your locomotive on it and power it up. Wheels spinning, that's what you want.
Shut off the power, back off or pick up the locomotive. Look at the wheels and the track it was spinning its wheels on. You will see Clean wheels and Dirty rails.
Those rails are still conductive... put your next locomotive on it. Repeat the process.
Get a dry cloth and wipe that section of rails.
Repeat with the petrol product.
That track cleaner that looks like an eraser? STOP using it on the rails! It makes a good flexible sanding block. You're thinking, "Huh?!" Right?
Take an unused section of track and rub it side-to-side on the rails instead of end-to-end.
Scratches!!! It's not too late. The petrol you used on the locomotive, use it on the rails.
It's up to you to wipe the rails or not, but it will remain conductive when it's petrol and dirty. Those places you can't reach, eh? Otherwise, use a fiber board or peg board based rail cleaner. They can actually be built by you... a 50' boxcar, two nails, and a 6" by 1" piece of fiber-board or pegboard.
Get a good pulling locomotive.
Oh, there's got to be, somewhere here, in this forum to see what to make of it.
I could keep writing/typing this.
Well, let me know how it goes.
John
p.s. At least my age of 12 is when I started learning this stuff.
p.p.s. Almost forgot, Sound... metal body/shell, the makings of an amplifier, ... as a diesel, it's okay. Steam locomotive that runs like a top... loud, but well, gotta take it.
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Posted - January 18 2012 : 01:31:50 AM
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Very time consuming, I've got school and a new walthers railroad shop kit on the way so it'll be hard to run my mdc #9. Seems like alot to make it better, I'm not lazy when It comes to this stuff I always work on Projects if I wasn't patient I wouldn't be able to spend 4 years of on off rebuilding of a mantua shifter, but anyways do you think adding labelle #106 grease to the drive gear will make it less noisy? Il try to do the steps you just stated tomorrow, thanks for your help, much appreciated.
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Posted - January 18 2012 : 03:17:45 AM
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The Labelle oil is good. But, it follows gravity. That means that the oil will eventually be found at the lowest point from application. It could also find its way to the wheels from dripping onto the rails. And you don't want that oil on the wheels and rails.
Uh, you said #106 grease... oh, I had in my mind #108 oil.
Do not get this grease onto the wheels. It would be stifling towards any attempt to pull a bunch of cars... even though it's a heavy, all metal locomotive.
Yeah, it'll be good. Again, I stress, keep it away from the wheels.
I believe you will do fine on this locomotive. 
Welcome to the forum!
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Posted - January 18 2012 : 04:19:26 AM
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That was some very good advice zebrails! SCVR66, you could re-motor it one day if ya wanted.
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Posted - January 18 2012 : 04:20:04 AM
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Try yardbirdtrains.com, they may have a motor that'll go in place of the old motor.
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Posted - January 18 2012 : 10:06:36 PM
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why blame the motor?! I'd assume it'd be the cause of its loudness, but its like dead silent without the shell which to me is really annoying, i resautered the main motors wires, i did all the work to ensure better operation, so i wouldnt wanna get a new motor anytime soon, with my problems with my mantua 0-4-0 project and my bachmann spectrum 4-8-2 getting a new tender pcb i have no need to to spend more money on an engine that already runs, I do my own rebuilds and lubrications but if i cant get the engine to be quiet i will ask The Train Shack in Burbank to take a look and see what they advise, i always go to the roundhouse in north hollywood cause my family was buying trains there before i was born, (dad as a kid in the 70s, brother etc) and we know all the owners/workers actually the bachmann spectrum 4-8-2 used to belong to the original owner of roundhouse, when he passed away they gave me the engine, but it hasnt seen operation on my newer 4x8 layout so i'm excited for that. The only reason i'd go to train shack is cause they repair engines, roundhouse doesnt anymore, but anyways i'll see what i can do thanks everyone.
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Edited by - SCVR66 on January 18 2012 10:13:06 PM
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Posted - January 18 2012 : 10:50:34 PM
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I believe, what Redneck means is, another motor may be quieter. You are right, it isn't broke. Why fix it?
I am understanding/guessing that the shell/boiler is plastic. Don't fight the noise. It is present with most, if not all MDC/Roundhouse locomotives.
I had shortly noted before, metal chassis and plastic shell makes for a good amplifier.
The locomotive works well for you, that is important. I trust MDC/Roundhouse products... the kits, that is.
The new stuff...  look great, rolls great, but  COSTS SO bloomin' MUCH! A lot of flash on the kits at times, but like on another thread in this forum, MDC/Roundhouse and Athearn products used to be made in this great North American continent.
roll credits... 
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Posted - January 18 2012 : 11:51:55 PM
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FOr me it's repair engines make them run then fix the nOise level if needed, if I doesn't get quiet then a new motor it'll be but for now she's parked in my engine house an is stall mates with an undecorated rivarossi 0-6-0T and that beauty runs perfect. I always wanted an mdc engine kit or assembled engine. When I get more money I will someday buy an mdc kit from eBay or train show cause I've always wanted to build an engine or assemble one, I've dismantled many but those were only for repairs. I have 2 brand new roundhouse old time 2-6-0s, my favorite my SP daylight, and a C&O orange version, I waited 6 months for my daylight to come since it wasn't released when I ordered it, I bought the daylight for $105 Nd the C&O for $90!!! That was a steal. You should get one they make a rio grande and a CN version I'm sure u already know.
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Posted - January 19 2012 : 12:20:36 AM
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I have spent hours trying to quiet down steamers and came up with this fix. I use the fine foam like Bachmann use in their engine boxes and cut it to fit between the motor and the shell. I fill the whole shell. It works for me. You won't believe how much better they sound. It does NOT take away all the sound but enough to make them sound better.
Try it.
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Posted - January 19 2012 : 02:20:21 AM
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I never thought of that, hmmm im already gonna try everything else previously stated so sure at least this one is quick nd easy thanks buddy
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Posted - January 19 2012 : 02:26:36 AM
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Note: if anyone wants to see/hear the engine run I have a YouTube channel "thedeputation" more specifically type in the great train expo, Anaheim california part 2/2 if u wanna see mor of my engines visit my channel or type in HO locomotives in action 4, my mdc 0-6-0t is in there, runs fairly well just loud. Let me know if you have any trouble, in using my iPod so u can't Post a link till tomorrow.
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Posted - January 19 2012 : 03:41:45 AM
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quote:Note:...or type in HO locomotives in action 4, my mdc 0-6-0t is in there, runs fairly well just loud. Let me know if you have any trouble, in using my iPod so u can't Post a link till tomorrow.
Originally posted by SCVR66Â -Â January 19 2012Â :Â 02:26:36 AM
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...........psssssssssssssst... > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XblSppam4 <that'll help lots for starters!
John
p.s. you gotta lotta nice loco's, there! And that 0-6-0T... I hear more "chug chug" than "growl."
That little dockside, 0-4-0T also has a "chug-chug" to it. Nice!
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Posted - January 19 2012 : 04:33:26 AM
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MORE... Say "NO" to WD40 on your model trains...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3AXdttke2Q&feature=endscreen&NR=1
The O-6-OT... the boiler front/smoke jacket belonged to a SP "War-Baby"
The motor brushes need to be "broke-in"... viewing the video is a HUGE help!
Goop lube the rear shaft end, and the front...just beyond the "poles"...um... goop lube the front-shaft end that has the gear, then there is the shaft, then, right where it enters, that hole that the shaft goes through, lube that up. But do not put WD40 on the brushes or you may overheat it because WD40 completely cleans and DRIES out the contact, the brushes and poles. And it will burn out much sooner.
Remove any WD40 from your model trains. Yes, it fixes the squeeks, but keep it for large metal things. Not the fine model trains. It will eventually dry out the plastics in your trains... and cracks and "dry-rot" happens.
The track cleaner block you have... Makes your track shiney but doesn't let you know you're putting very fine scratches in it at the same time. I mentioned about proving this by rubbing it cross-wise on some rail. Do not use Bachmann or Life-Like swab-n-track cleaner. It will make yout track ties brittle over time... and that means your switches will be junk when removing them. I had a $40 double slip-switch go to pieces... it was clean, but when I attempted to remove it from my table after I took out the nails, like picking off a huge scab on your skin... OUCH! "G'bye $40!"
Use the block for fine sanding and you will really understand what I mean.
Rails, a little Vaseline works wonders. But, don't rub the rails with your fingers and then take care of an itch in your eye.
More info if/when I get your response from this MESSage.
John
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Edited by - zebrails on January 20 2012 06:06:28 AM
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Posted - January 20 2012 : 8:16:08 PM
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i dont ush wd40 on the motor brushes, its plastic compatible so i use it on diesel diesels which is a big help and its helped ever steamer ive used it on.
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