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Hi Folks,
I received this engine in a lot buy and am trying to figure out who made it and if parts can be had.
 
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Posted - July 12 2011 : 6:31:08 PM
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Poor ol' thang sure is a hand basket!I'm guessing its a Marklin.
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Posted - July 12 2011 : 7:20:03 PM
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All I need is a boiler the rest I can make or bash.
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Posted - July 12 2011 : 7:22:24 PM
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hi ken a guess but looks like a br 42/52 by marklin ken
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Posted - July 12 2011 : 7:39:05 PM
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Hi Ken,
My guess would be a Gutzold BR 42.
Take a look here and scroll down to 42 0001... it looks like a good match:
http://www.harald-johns.com/SAMMLUNG/1-u.htm
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Posted - July 12 2011 : 7:55:09 PM
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Interesting unit. What's with the two bulbs in the steamchest?
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Posted - July 12 2011 : 8:03:28 PM
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hi thomas,you are right guetzold br 42,nickelplate759 they are for the lamps on each side ken
the cab also shows the motor
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Posted - July 12 2011 : 8:44:31 PM
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Ken, I thought that might be it, but I've never seen a loco with ditch lights on the steamchest.
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Posted - July 12 2011 : 9:17:51 PM
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Hi Nelson,
The ditch lights are not in the steamchest they seem that way by the pictures but they are just inside.
I wish I could find a boiler for it.
Ken
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Posted - July 12 2011 : 9:39:10 PM
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If anyone would have it, it would be Sean, although I don't know if he ever gets any European stuff in those lots.
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Posted - July 12 2011 : 9:46:30 PM
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How do I contact Sean??
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Posted - July 12 2011 : 10:03:04 PM
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Thomas,
you were wright. Thanks for the web site.
Also Ken was right.
Thanks to both of you.
Now if I could find a boiler I could put it back together. I thought it was plastic but to my surprise it is backolite (or whatever) it is built like a tank.
I would like to get it fixed up it would be great. The motor runs well and all the metal parts are here.
ken
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Posted - July 12 2011 : 10:32:55 PM
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quote:How do I contact Sean??
Originally posted by Ken - July 12 2011 : 9:46:30 PM
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http://www.tycoforums.com/tyco/forum/pop_profile.asp?mode=display&id=1919
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Posted - July 13 2011 : 01:01:42 AM
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May I ask what the 2 red things are above the wheels are for?  Guessing air tanks?
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Posted - July 13 2011 : 06:18:15 AM
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hi ben as far as i know they are air containers,ken
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Posted - July 13 2011 : 06:57:23 AM
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This Gützold 42 is very rare! Early Eastern-Germany production!
Maybe a Liliput 42 boiler/cab could be adoptet!
The 42 is similar to the more famous 52, but the 42 has a biger boiler!
If you dont mind that, you could use a boiler of the 52 too! - Erich
More about the real thing (it was also built in my hometown Vienna):http://www-personal.umich.edu/~khmiska/_derived/BR42.htm
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Posted - July 13 2011 : 07:02:54 AM
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This one was made in Vienna/Austria!
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Posted - July 13 2011 : 07:31:58 AM
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hi erich could he not make the ww2 52 ken
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Posted - July 13 2011 : 07:53:44 AM
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quote:hi erich could he not make the ww2 52 ken
Originally posted by catfordken - July 13 2011 : 07:31:58 AM
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Yes off course, if you dont mind differences, wheelbase is the same but steamchest and pilot and other parts are different! Headlights are placed different! (boiler of 42 is bigger in diameter).
But ist hard to distinguish a 42 from a 52 at the first look!
I recomend to study pics from both!
Just add "BR" like BR42 or BR52 if you google it! - Erich
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Posted - July 13 2011 : 07:57:57 AM
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| see what you mean,best to just do the br 42 ken
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Posted - July 13 2011 : 09:37:53 AM
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Gützold 42
Liliput 42 (truescale)
Kleinbahn 52 (shorter than scale)
What diamater (outside) and lenght is the Gützold boiler? - Erich
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Posted - July 13 2011 : 11:11:39 AM
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Hi Erich,
Thanks for your reply.
The Dia. is 26.5mm Length aprox.115mm can't tell the lenght because it is all in pieces so that is my best guessken
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Posted - July 13 2011 : 11:20:08 AM
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quote:Hi Erich,
Thanks for your reply.
The Dia. is 26.5mm Length aprox.115mm can't tell the lenght because it is all in pieces so that is my best guessken
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Your boiler looks as slim as the Kleinbahn one! will check out size! - erich
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Posted - July 13 2011 : 2:45:53 PM
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quote: [quote]Hi Erich,
Thanks for your reply.
The Dia. is 26.5mm Length aprox.115mm can't tell the lenght because it is all in pieces so that is my best guessken
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lenght of 115mm is right, but boiler dia of a 52 in truescale is ca. 21mm, so it is to small!
Only chance I see is a boiler of a liliput 42 but I have no one on hand to meassure!
I will check it out for you, but it will take some time! finding a cheap boiler also! - Erich
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Posted - July 13 2011 : 4:40:35 PM
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Hi Guys,
Someone must be looking over from up above. I just got back from my hobby shop and I took a picture of my engine with and he smiled and said I think I can get you a HO scale plastic kit of that engine. He called his supplier and they had one left on the shelf and guess who is going to get it.
I am now getting excited I will be able to get it restored un til I can get the real boiler.
YAAAA HOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Ken
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Posted - July 13 2011 : 4:45:37 PM
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Hi Erich,
If you can get me a 42 boiler. GREAT. If you find one that is broken with the cab still good I could put them together.
Whatever you can do I would be happy.
Thanks.
Ken
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Posted - July 13 2011 : 5:01:04 PM
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I would guess that it is a Class42/52 DB decapod. I can see it wasn't repaired correctly. The first driver which it blind should be the center driver. That is where the flangeless, blind driver belongs. You can also see flanges on the third and forth drivers overlapping. This loco can run because of this. I have a Gutzold decapod and it is tender drive. I have seen similar motors on old Rivarossi locomotives. I would guess the old Gutzold locos had the drive it the loco. The plastic looking air tanks are on my Gutzold decapod. The way the tender trucks look under the tender body is just like a Gutzold tender I have. Knowing Peko made the same loco as Gutzold. One West German and the other East German, it has to be one of them.
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Posted - July 13 2011 : 5:18:09 PM
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frank if you look at all the gutzhold locos on this page the flangeless driver is in the same place on the first wheel not the centre ken
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Posted - July 13 2011 : 5:34:58 PM
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Ken i see what you mesn but in one photo they seem to overlap and thats not good. Maybe just a bad photo.
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Posted - July 13 2011 : 6:14:32 PM
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frank i agree,weird though,most locos like you say have the flangeless driver or drivers in centre the liliput has it by the cab,ken
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Posted - July 13 2011 : 7:04:22 PM
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I understand that the third driver should be tireless but look at this picture if the third was a tireless it would not fit with the gears on it.The middle three drivers are all geared. The motor is something else I took it apart and I mean apart when you remove the 2 bolts that hold it in the frame you also take the motor completely apart.All gears look good the motor now runs great the valve gear all work well.Had to put new brushes in the motor the old ones fell apart when I took them out.
Any ideas on the plastic kit for this the dealer said it would work has anyone ever got one??
Ken
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Posted - July 13 2011 : 7:38:09 PM
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ken i know trumpeter make a br 52,revell/esci made a class 50 but who makes the br 42 kit ken
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Posted - July 13 2011 : 8:08:27 PM
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Ken,
I'm not sure I will find out tomorrow when I call the dealer back and let you know.
Ken
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Posted - July 14 2011 : 04:49:45 AM
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quote:Ken,
I'm not sure I will find out tomorrow when I call the dealer back and let you know.
Ken
Originally posted by Ken - July 13 2011 : 8:08:27 PM
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Think its this one! - Erich
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Posted - July 14 2011 : 08:01:35 AM
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What an interesting story! Good luck with the loco rebuild Ken!
Ping to Nelson: I got a chuckle on that one, thanks! You were right however, I do not buy any European models. The funny part is, I had a neighbor introduce me to another neighbor in my driveway one evening. We were all looking into my open garage when the new neighbor said: "Wow! You have a lot of tools." That's when Chuck chimed in and said: "Yeah, if you need it he probably has it. Guess that rings true elsewhere. Too funny unless you ask my wife... Who just thinks it's all junk.
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Posted - July 14 2011 : 6:44:22 PM
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Sean, if you want to have some fun tell her you've discovered a whole new aspect of collecting: European models. Then dive behind the couch. 
That 42 has some heavy construction. Very thick frame pieces, and the gearing on the 3 center axles is something I haven't seen before. I guess bakelite was popular in Europe back then as Rivarossi started with it too, and like Frank said the motor does resemble the early RR motors.
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Posted - July 15 2011 : 04:53:55 AM
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quote:frank i agree,weird though,most locos like you say have the flangeless driver or drivers in centre the liliput has it by the cab,ken
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Flanges on all wheels! - Erich
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Posted - July 15 2011 : 06:47:25 AM
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| oops,what a difference a good photo makes,erich,but i stick by rest of statement the gutzold has it at front,where if a flangeless wheel is fitted its more likely to be fitted in centre,ken
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Posted - July 15 2011 : 07:08:09 AM
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Yes the Gützold has is flangeless whells on the front!
They did this to hide it behind h the valvegear, crosshead and steamchest! - Erich
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Posted - July 15 2011 : 08:40:15 AM
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| What is the reason for the flangeless drivers?
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Posted - July 15 2011 : 09:12:26 AM
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| hi ben in theory it allows you to have more wheels/length to loco and still get around tight curves,without derailing ken
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Posted - July 15 2011 : 10:42:26 AM
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http://www.guetzold.de/
http://www.piko-america.co
PIKO and GÃœTZOLD are both from Eastern Germany! - Erich
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Posted - July 15 2011 : 11:08:17 AM
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I would like to thank all you guys for all your comments. From then I have got all the info I need to complete my project. I went on Bachman EU site and got all the info I am sure will help.
If you have'nt checked out the EU sites you should it will let you know what is going on over there. Very interesting.
Thanks again.
This is what this site is all about.
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Posted - September 20 2011 : 7:21:48 PM
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Like German Engines! Anyone Have Anything Made By Sekai?
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Posted - September 20 2011 : 8:37:02 PM
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I was always impressed with Marklin's solution for their 2-10-0's. All drivers had flanges, so they articulated the frame so that it would bend in the middle. The rods at the bend were slotted, so that the rods wouldn't bind. Since all drivers where geared, the rods were just along for the ride anyway. The upshot was that Marklin's 2-10-0's could easily navigate 14-inch radius curves at speed (the big flanges helped too.)
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