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 Posted - May 21 2011 : 11:21:44 PM
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i'm thinking about buying a big boy. i'm thinking about the older ahm big boy because they are more affordable than the newer rivarossi big boys. do thew older one run good? are they good pullers or are they weak? i've never seen one in person or run is why i ask.
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Posted - May 21 2011 : 11:35:12 PM
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Mine's from the 70s, it runs great, was easy to convert to DCC at the time ---since turned back to DC---and was affordable...
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Posted - May 22 2011 : 11:59:48 AM
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that's nice. what kind of curves can it handle?
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Posted - May 22 2011 : 12:07:52 PM
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quote:that's nice. what kind of curves can it handle?
Originally posted by smokie - May 22 2011 : 11:59:48 AM
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Can you believe 18" radius?
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Posted - May 22 2011 : 12:19:24 PM
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very nice Tho I'd want #4004 on my loco  Not surprised on the tighness of curves I mean it does have seperate drive wheels So its like 2 locos for the price of one & a 4-16-4 wouldn't work on real tight curves 
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Posted - May 22 2011 : 12:45:34 PM
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| hi shaygetz,thats a nice looking loco,but i think apart from not using up,would be nice as a visitor to the pgw,ken
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Posted - May 24 2011 : 11:24:46 PM
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| Does that use the say drive train as the AMH/Riverrosi GG1?
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Posted - May 25 2011 : 06:56:33 AM
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quote:Does that use the say drive train as the AMH/Riverrosi GG1?
Originally posted by tkruger - May 24 2011 : 11:24:46 PM
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The GG1 drives changed alot over the years, all of mine each have a different one and none match the Big Boy.
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Posted - March 27 2012 : 9:28:54 PM
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The Big Boy, is a Articulated needless to say, HOWEVER its NOT articulated correctly, as in real life, the rear most engines were the main boiler support, and ONLY the front engine articulated.
On Rivarossi ALL of there articulated steamers were made to have articulating rear engines for the sake of going around tight radius curves. (The claim to fame on the Y6b, was that it would negotiate 15 inch radius curves!) ALL the remaining articulateds from Rivarossi were to negotiate 18 inch radius!
Mantua on the other hand made alot of Articulateds from the X-6-6-X frames. 2-6-6-0, 2-6-6-2T, 2-6-6-2. and ALL of them, had the rear engine set, mounted firmly to the boiler and If not mistaken it will negotiate 15 inch radius as well, just because of its size.....(I've got ridgid framed steamers that are bigger then it!) BUT thats not completely all true either, the center driver of both engine are blind drivers as well. Which GREATLY help the articulation on tight curved track!
Bowser made a Big Boy and a Challenger, I've got 2 Challengers and have built multiple Big Boys over the years for people, and they are made corectly. The rear most engine set is the boiler support, mounted rigid to the locomotive.
I also have 2 Arbour Models Alleghanies, and they too are made to articulate corectly as well.....
Something that I haven't seen anyone post in the messages here is the fact that at the fartherest swing in articulation, the engine only moves 18 inches from one side to the other off center!!!!!! IN REAL LIFE now.....not the models they are made to go excessive amounts of distance from one side or the other.
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Posted - March 27 2012 : 10:04:53 PM
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^^^^^^ I like this guy
just me Ray... and just because I have Tyco doesn't mean I am not a model railroader
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Posted - March 27 2012 : 10:16:47 PM
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John, I actually think the Rivarossi 'diesel truck' style articulation is a good compromise for larger articulateds. I actually find blind drivers to be more distracting than a pivoting rear set, but I know opinions vary.
One of the oddest trends I've noticed is prototypical articulation on O scale locos, which seems backwards. Most O scale layouts have much more restrictive curves than HO, so watching an O scale Challenger on a modular layout at a train show go around a curve with the front engine swinging out about 30 degrees or more relative to the boiler looks ridiculous.
The Tyco Depot
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Posted - March 28 2012 : 5:37:29 PM
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quote:^^^^^^ I like this guy
Originally posted by rgcw5Â -Â March 27 2012Â :Â 10:04:53 PM
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me too, now it seems we have a go to guy for ahm articulates.
how does the cn22 motors compare to the factory rivarossi motors as far as top end speed & pulling power? i run my trains faster than most, i like 'em fast.
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Posted - March 28 2012 : 7:08:49 PM
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quote:^^^^^^ I like this guy
Originally posted by rgcw5Â -Â March 27 2012Â :Â 10:04:53 PM
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Why...........thank you! 
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Posted - March 28 2012 : 7:12:18 PM
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quote: quote:^^^^^^ I like this guy
Originally posted by rgcw5Â -Â March 27 2012Â :Â 10:04:53 PM
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me too, now it seems we have a go to guy for ahm articulates.
how does the cn22 motors compare to the factory rivarossi motors as far as top end speed & pulling power? i run my trains faster than most, i like 'em fast.
Originally posted by smokie - March 28 2012 : 5:37:29 PM
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OHHH BOY, if you only knew! LOL want to see just how far into Articulateds I am? Lay your eyes upon this......
Can anyone tell me what it is? (Nelson you keep quiet!)
Then you have:
and then:
Anyone tell me what I'm trying to accomplish here.....exception for Nelson as I know, he knows!
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Posted - March 28 2012 : 8:42:43 PM
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It's a Y6b but not sure about the rebuild mods.
Nice work so far.
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Posted - March 28 2012 : 8:49:43 PM
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Posted - March 28 2012 : 10:38:07 PM
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quote:It's a Y6b but not sure about the rebuild mods.
Nice work so far.
Originally posted by Alco Fan - March 28 2012 : 8:42:43 PM
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Alco, VERY close.....errr well partially right I should say, the frames to the engines are from a Y6b......BUT look VERY close to he boiler and cab, and where might have you seen that boiler before.....
Nelson, good call! LOL 
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Posted - March 28 2012 : 10:41:36 PM
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quote:John, I actually think the Rivarossi 'diesel truck' style articulation is a good compromise for larger articulateds. I actually find blind drivers to be more distracting than a pivoting rear set, but I know opinions vary.
One of the oddest trends I've noticed is prototypical articulation on O scale locos, which seems backwards. Most O scale layouts have much more restrictive curves than HO, so watching an O scale Challenger on a modular layout at a train show go around a curve with the front engine swinging out about 30 degrees or more relative to the boiler looks ridiculous.
Originally posted by NickelPlate759Â -Â March 27 2012Â :Â 10:16:47 PM
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I do agree! with the diesel truck articulation, as it doesn't take away from the model, as do blind drivers, HOWEVER I'll addthat in real life some engines ahd blind drivers, it looks REALLY odd tho, when you have a older locomotive with deep flanges so makes the "blind" one look WAY out of place.
And then O scale, Ohhh goodness yes, its more then rediculous! (I had a Lionel B&O EM-1 in the shop,) that jumped the track, on a trestle and about killed itself as the guy that owned it left a flat screw driver laying on the trackwork over the trestle! COSTLY mistake it was,.....almost a total loss!
~John
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 Posted - September 23 2024 : 10:09:57 PM
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Deserves a repost. Beautiful picture.
Originally posted by shaygetz on May 21 2011Â
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Posted - September 24 2024 : 8:31:27 PM
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I admit I should get #4005 since it was the only one involved in a deadly derailment
killing the engineer & fireman  
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