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 Posted - January 04 2007 : 07:07:41 AM
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OK, men; a show of hands please.
IF a reasonable repowering option were available that could go into a PT truck would you buy it or ship your loco out to have it done?
I have a friend who has degrees in Electrical and mechanical engineering and I've started talking to him about this. He does custom Chassis conversion swaps as a hobby business. I'm going to slap him in the face with a Tyco gauntlet and watch him get demonically possesed and find an answer! Gears won't be a problem. I have another buddy with a CNC Mill and I think a lathe. Once upon a time say 15 years ago I could using Cad/Cam software design and produce parts on CNC machinery. It would not be insurmountable to make a batch of gears say. Actually depending on what the friend I mentioned earlier says an off the shelf solution would be best. Ideally a metal subframed twin motor Super 630 ROCKS MY WORLD!!!!
It pisses me off no one has come up with a solution to this yet!
Over to you guys?
Gareth
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 Posted - January 04 2007 : 12:01:31 PM
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If a reasonable repowering option was available for a PT, would I buy it? I think it kinda depends what engine it was. If it was a really common one that Tyco made for years and I wanted to use it as a runner than yes. But if it was a less common engine and I wanted to display it on a shelf then no.
-cheez
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Posted - January 10 2007 : 10:56:24 PM
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I was thinking about the PT replacement idea and now that my friend has consented to work on developing a "canned" answer to this problem I have had this thought;
I think primarily the problem is with the PT motor and that the Trucks especially the Vampires are part of the Tyco Identity so it would need to work with them but also say the Shark truck as well.
Actually I'll post thsi in a seperate post but how many basic trucks are there?
1) a "C" trcuk-6 wheel in the Super 630 and GG-1
2) a "B" truck as in the Shark and also the 430?
3) a (Guru time! can someone help here?) truck for the ???
Anyway my thoughts for now.
-Gareth
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Posted - January 10 2007 : 11:04:00 PM
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The PowerTorque motor housing was the SAME EXACT ONE (ongoing revisions throughout its 18 years excepted) for all diesels.
If you take one apart, start with a two-axle version (Shark, F-Unit, C430). When you take the truck cap off you will see three slots in the motor housing. And even those two-axle jobs still have a "dummy axle" with a drive gear.
You can mix-and-match the different truck sideframe caps to any PT motor on any PT-equipped diesel all day long. They all fit (assuming the revisions are the same).
(when I speak of revisions, I am referring to the following:
Mk.1 - first versions, mid-70's. Truck caps snap on, and are retained by one screw that isn;t absolutley necessary.
Mk.II - mid-late 70's and on. Truck caps secured with 3 phillips 2/56 screws.
The actual plastic truck sideframes themselves will swap to either cap. And the motor and gear mechanicals are essentially the same).
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Posted - January 11 2007 : 12:21:51 AM
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Hey Thanks for the clarrification. I would send "my guy" a "B" truck but I have only the 630's at the moment. I don't posses a single "B-B" locomotive though that will change. I have a BIG, BIG box of stuff coming with 15+ cars, 58 loc's Track buildings, bridges. I bought a whole bedroom closet shelf full of stuff from someone off Ebay and It'll be here soon.
I'll get a donor off that.
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 Posted - January 11 2007 : 08:27:09 AM
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I would support it...and remotor EVERYTHING, so long as the cost was not prohibitive. I would consider more than $30 per loco for parts and labor prohibitive...but that's just my opinion.
There will be others...with deeper pockets...that will step up to the plate to compensate for us cheapskates, right? [:D]
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Posted - January 11 2007 : 09:12:08 AM
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Hey Old reliable:
As you can tell from the two Loco's I listed I know a couple of guys who are Loco tuning wizards. The fella who does the MDC Chassis Rebuild agreed after a very long phone call to help us poor wretched TycoNauts with our PT Woes! I'm pretty sure a solution can be come up with at a few levels the first being a Repowering or remotoring of a typical Tyco PT based Loco. That leaves it in the original one truck for pickup and one for drive and that will meet the needs of maybe 80% of the TycoNauts, howeever for some of us, ok, me; I want to have the Baddest Super 630 in the world, so; Metal frame support for weight (around) 4oz and two motors to pull 100 plus cars upa grade! Well yo get the idea but like I said, PT on one truck replaced first so at minimum people will be able to give children and grandchildren Tyco Loco's to start off. I may even like this guy start a Cottage Industry doing conversions.[^]
Cheers,
gareth
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 Posted - January 11 2007 : 09:30:46 AM
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Yessir. There's nothing more I'd like to see (and HEAR, LOL) than TWO dual-motored 630's pulling over 100 62' Tropicana Reefers and 50' Tropicana Pigs...right down my pike...from Jacksonville, Florida to Dallas, Texas. We like our OJ up here! [:P]
Careful, though...If that rude boy is weighted just right...you could put it through the sheet rock at a scale 150+ mph. [:0]
Ask me how I know this. [:D]
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Posted - January 11 2007 : 09:38:06 AM
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I was thinking about a tanker/covered Gon train. Lets see Ice in the Gon; Double proof Lamb's Navy Rum in the first Tanker; Coke in the second, and then maybe an open Gon or stake sided flat bed with stir sticks! [;)] [;)] [;)]
All Aboard!!!!
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Posted - January 11 2007 : 09:41:04 AM
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| Is there room on that consist for a brakeman or fireman!?!?!?! [:D]
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Posted - January 11 2007 : 09:48:39 AM
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Hey with TWo Double Motor 630's anything is doable. I went to high school with a kid who shoe horned a Supercharged Chrysler 407ci. V-8 into a Renault!
-G.
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Posted - January 11 2007 : 11:10:18 AM
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Boy ThOR, talk about throwing the gauntlet! And here I thought 4 Tropico reefers and two piggies was a consist. Sheez, now I'm gonna have to change my line of work!
RomCat - Ahh, now I understand. I originally though you were pursuing "like kind" replacement motrs - which I will forever argue is a wash, especially at $30 (how many RI sharks can you buy for that? [:D]). But a much-improved motor that uses the original-look sideframes IS a worthy proposition...
...as long as it doesn't cost too much. [;)]
Man, in another life - I'd seek out a Ford 427 'cammer and shove that bastard into an unassuming '76 Granada two-door. That'd pants the mullet contingent on cruise night [:D]
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Posted - January 13 2007 : 11:00:00 PM
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Romcat- great to read that someone is interested and working on tyco repowering to fit original shells and slot. I would also be interested in purchasing 2 super 630 dual motor chassis. One for my 76 bicentennial and one for my golden eagle which i currently have on an modified SD40 athearn drive. would be interested in several 430/shark drives also. Hope your friend isn't admitted to an insane asylum in the process of this project
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Posted - January 15 2007 : 1:18:27 PM
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Hi:
I think this has not been tackled because it's been an unidentified niche. I doubt it's an unsurmountable problem. More likely that the loco's themselves wern't worth repairing to most people. Anyway we'll see. The goal is to hit this in stages.
1) A simple PT motor replacement allowing billions of non-running Tyco engines to return to the rails.
2) PT replacement + better Pick-up from both trucks
3) Dual Motor trucks with 8 wheel pick-up!
4) #3 + a "weight-plate" this would fit inside the shell and span the gap between trucks.
Well thats it. really #1 is the most important and the one most people will be interested in. The others are for the kind of guy like me who wants a 1929 Scott Flying Squirrel in the Garage!
-Gareth
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