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 Posted - December 24 2010 : 9:56:52 PM
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Hi all!
I was just curious, If by some chance I found someone that sells pancake armatures and silver brushes would any one be interested depending on cost??
I just got an email from him, and this is what he wrote back.
My motors would be great if you drag raced your trains.
What is the ohm reading when you measure from pole /plate to plate?
The motors look to be the same O.D but I do not have any Tyco blanks to compare them against.
my motors have a higher ohm reading than most which allow for higher speed. I can advance and retard the timing which makes for motor power.
I even make a 4 laminate armature black which really ads torque.
my gears will not fit in your trains.
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I was thinking about asking him is I could send him a power torque motor to test out and look at.
any one know the ohms of the current motor? I know basics how to take them apart and put them back together clean.... but the tech stuff I have no equipment .... so maybe all of us can come up with something?
a little more power to our little tycos could be niceeee and still maintain the looks of the original power torques 
oh and I am looking to find gears too.... as from what I read here it looks like another item that could be hottttt.
So what do you think? should I pursue it?
I will look back soon!
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 Posted - December 25 2010 : 01:03:15 AM
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Hi Griffon, I don't know much about your needs. Hopefully some of the members know & can help you with this. Happy Holidays!
Walt
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Posted - December 25 2010 : 04:13:27 AM
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quote:Hi all!
I was just curious, If by some chance I found someone that sells pancake armatures and silver brushes would any one be interested depending on cost?? ( Of COURSE! LOL)
- this is what he wrote back-
-My motors would be great if you drag raced your trains. ( Not sure this is what we want, but....)
-What is the ohm reading when you measure from pole /plate to plate? ( I can check that out myself)
- I can advance and retard the timing which makes for motor power. ( Now THIS sounds promising)
-I even make a 4 laminate armature black which really ads torque. ( Not sure what this does, technically , maybe adds some extra thickness, for more magnetic attraction? )
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any one know the ohms of the current motor? ( No, but I can ohm one of mine out )
a little more power to our little tycos could be niceeee and still maintain the looks of the original power torques
So what do you think? should I pursue it? (, Yes, definitely worth pursuing )
Originally posted by griffon_j9Â -Â December 24 2010Â :Â 9:56:52 PM
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My responses are in the parenthesis above individually. Anyway, The other consideration is that the TYCO armature has a longer shaft than most slot car armatures. You can't use a regular shaft, it'll have to be the same length as the one in the Tyco engines. If he's got longer shafts, great! I think the Torque increase would be welcome. I don't THINK anyone here drag-races diesel engines. Or steam. LOL. So top speed wouldn't matter to us, just the torque increase would help. As far as the laminated armature, if that makes it thicker, then it may not fit into the housing anymore.
Bottom line, if we can get better parts / replacements that fit and will work, it's DEFINITELY worth pursuing over having nothing available. Even a stock armature ( with the long shaft ) would be great, to have spares, but if he can juice them up so the engines have more power, then all the better. I'd say go for it. Sending a PT to him to make sure it'll all fit would be ideal as well. I have a few candidates I could send, if you don't have extras, as I do.
Jerry
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Posted - December 25 2010 : 09:58:39 AM
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Thanks for the fast reply ^_^
Well I could see brians doing a new video with golden eagle and silver streak drag racing!! just have to be careful to not shoot them through the walls! lol
I will email him soon, I may include this topic so he can see there is a large interest! (hint hint post lots lol)
as I have said, I am not tech smart, so I will also ask about what some of the stuff he said means.
talk later and merry xmas!
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Posted - December 25 2010 : 11:38:21 AM
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quote:Thanks for the fast reply ^_^
Well I could see brians doing a new video with golden eagle and silver streak drag racing!!
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Actually, there was a competition in our club a few years ago, an annual event, whereby one club member would put up a large 100' rectangle of track at his house, and you'd run 2 timed laps around the track pulling 100 cars, the fastest consist winning the Grand Prize. Not exactly drag racing, but the best puller. And if you had too much power , you derailed the cars, so that disqualified you. I never made it to one of those, sadly. And I don't think any Tyco ever tried out for this event.
-Jerry
quote: I will also ask about what some of the stuff he said means.
Originally posted by griffon_j9Â -Â December 25 2010Â :Â 09:58:39 AM
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That would be good, I'm not up on high-tech slot car armatures , either, I have no idea what he's talking about. Guess I can go research it online, now that I know the terms he used. Wonder if he can build a double-stack armature for a radical Tyco engine? LOL!
Jerry
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Posted - December 25 2010 : 12:08:50 PM
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quote:I even make a 4 laminate armature black which really ads torque.
Originally posted by griffon_j9Â -Â December 24 2010Â :Â 9:56:52 PM
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Ok, reading up on DC generators/motors, a laminated armature is desirable because a single core armature builds up magnetic resistance to turning, due to it's volume and induction resistance. Better motors use a laminated structure, a series of plates, to reduce the magnetic resistance, as the core plates are insulated from each other, but they add up to the same size core. But resistance to turning is reduced. So it sounds like a good practical theory, but whether in such a small armature as a slot car or Tyco engine, it would make that big a difference ( he indicates it does, and I"m no expert ), I'll have to assume it helps enough to be worth the cost at competition level. At operational level, I've no clue. This may help at high RPMS, but not help at all at lower , consist-pulling RPMs. I mean, who runs their trains like a Hustler engine? LOL. Could be the start of something, though....train drags. LOL. Can't wait to see the Tyco engines start throwing rubber tires under the pull. Heh heh! Would give new meaning to "burning rubber"...God help those using dental bands. they might goo up under the stress of acceleration. Clean the tracks, please! 
A few experimental motors might be worth exploring first, to see if they're worth the extra? expense I would assume is involved. Torque production would be the first priority in my opinion, speed the last. But it seems worthwhile to try it. I doubt many (train) guys would pay $20-50 for an armature, though, so I wonder what his turbo-tricked armatures sell for? I'm assuming he does slot cars.
Jerry
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Posted - December 26 2010 : 11:22:50 PM
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Hey Jerry thanks for the research! I will email my contact tomorrow after work ( doh after a week off I have to go back! )
Did you by some chance get to see what the ohms were to these little engines?
oh and heres the person's web site ^_^
http://agg.fsmra.com/index.html
I love the poster, we just need a golden eagle to replace the slot car ha ha ha
Are you the one the tested the brushes from the slot cars and they worked?? did you check the arms too? (sorry to lazy to look at the topic at the time)
later!
Alan
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Posted - December 27 2010 : 06:32:12 AM
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quote:
1) hey Jerry thanks for the research! I will email my contact tomorrow
2) Did you by some chance get to see what the ohms were to these little engines?
3) Are you the one the tested the brushes from the slot cars and they worked??
4) did you check the arms too? (sorry to lazy to look at the topic at the time)
later!Alan
Originally posted by griffon_j9Â -Â December 26 2010Â :Â 11:22:50 PM
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1 - cool!
2- I will do so today, Monday 27th, but I'm not sure my ohmeter will read in that small an increment accurately enough. They use micro-ohmeter. I'll see if I can read mine though.
3- Yes, that was me ( for the Power Torque motor, not the MU-2 horizontal motor )
4- Er, I think you may be referring to the MU-2 motor, with the brushes attached to the arms? In that case, I don't know of any replacements, I was referring to the PT motor, the upright type, that has the small flat armature inside with a side plate holding the brushes in. There's no need to replace any arms on those that I know of. Only the MU-2 would need that, and I can't help there. I realize, after researching some of the slot cars, that some have the horizontal armature like the MU-2, so maybe that is what you were talking about. This is a PT, is this the type of Tyco motor you're referring to?
Or, was it number 2, this one? This is the older open-frame type Mantua MU-2 motor.
My chatting about parts has been about the first one, the PT, not the second, the older MU-2 type.
Jerry
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Posted - December 27 2010 : 8:55:47 PM
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Hi
I was talking about the PT as I have never seen the mu-2 except in the brian video on how to pull it apart
I wanted to know if the arms from slot cars that you got the brushes from would work in the pt? but maybe when I had my original pt it was not the arm that failed... but that was a long time ago (all I have left now is the empty pt shell from that)
anyway I am going to send the email now ^_^
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Posted - December 27 2010 : 10:09:14 PM
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quote:Hi
I was talking about the PT...I wanted to know if the arms from slot cars that you got the brushes from would work in the pt?
Originally posted by griffon_j9Â -Â December 27 2010Â :Â 8:55:47 PM
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The arms are riveted to the bottom of the slot cars, and the brushes sit on top of them, then the armature fits down on top, much like the PT motor. There's no loose "arms" to exchange....unless your PT motor has broken-off arms, yes, I can see you might need some, but in that case, you need the entire PT cover plate with the arms attached already. But I guess some could be made to work, if they broke off the PT, but I've only had to rebend some of mine back into position, I"ve never found one broken off that the brush side plate couldn't be reused (yet). The slot car arms are narrower compared to these massive Tyco train motor arms to fit in their place easily. Guess I wasn't making the connection at first. But I don't think the slot car chassis arms would be easily usable for the train motor, and you'd have to cut them off as well.
Jerry
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Posted - December 28 2010 : 8:50:53 PM
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well... apperantly I can't email you or do the private message thing.... or just to dumb to figure it out lol soooooo....
after your last post to this topic I realized the I created confusion.... I was taking a short cute instead of spelling out the whole word.... when I said arms I meant armatures.... sorry about that.
so I was asking if you put the slot car armatures in the power torque motor to see if they were compatible also?
on another note.... I have not got an email reply back from the slot car armature guy either, I will email again next week if I do not get replies.
once again sorry for the confusion, guess I learned to spell out the whole words from now on :p
talk later
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Posted - December 28 2010 : 9:19:30 PM
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quote:well... after your last post to this topic I realized the I created confusion.... I meant armatures.... sorry about that.
so I was asking if you put the slot car armatures in the power torque motor to see if they were compatible also?
sorry for the confusion, guess I learned to spell out the whole words from now on :p
Originally posted by griffon_j9Â -Â December 28 2010Â :Â 8:50:53 PM
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Ok, yes, now it's all making sense. LOL. I mentioned that the armatures in the Tyco PT motor had a longer shaft. Yes, the T-jet armature will FIT into the Tyco engine, but the shaft is too short ( where the small idler gear would fit ), so it won't even protrude enough thru the hole. NOT useable. Fits, yes, usable, no. Which is why I mentioned that you needed to ask the guy IF he could provide a longer shaft ( which will be necessary, no STOCK Slot car armature already made is going to work here, it will have to be custom.)
thanks for the clarification, and make sure you ask about longer shafts. Here's pictures of the PT armature inside a slot car - not gonna work the other way around, though!
As you can see, the Tyco train armature has a much longer shaft than the slot car would have had. Not finding my micrometer handy, it's about 9/16's long with ruler and eyeball.
Jerry
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Posted - December 28 2010 : 10:24:49 PM
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While pushing deeper into my basement's recesses cleaning up and organizing, I came across some of my slot car parts, I think I'd bought this bin off Ebay some years ago. So I am able to grab and photo some of the original type armatures in the older Aurora slot cars. I also found a small bin of the brushes    Guess I don't need to buy any for awhile.  Anyway, here's a pictorial comparison of the Tyco train armature (left), and the slot car armature (right)
As you can tell, the shaft is both taller, AND skinnier ( didn't realize that at first ). I'll try to find my micrometer Wednesday and measure both armatures for diameter and length.
Here's my bin of Aurora slot car parts. Even have the metal rods and a few of the plastic U pins for the old Aurora Model Motoring track in there, too.
Wonder how much that VW body is worth? I found an Atlas slot car chassis in there as well, with a horizontal armature. Not sure what bodies they had, I'll have to research that, I don't think I have many Atlas HO slot car chassis's.
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Posted - January 04 2011 : 5:02:53 PM
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sorry for the delay in replys... though I was kicked out of tyco forums for some reason only to read that it was down  Then wanted to reply only to realize that some how was signed out anywayyyy
thanks for the info, looks like you are (were?) a serious slot car person too! I have not got a response from they guy that rebuilds yet. I also have not mailed him again.. yet as I have been sick for the past couple of days 
Did sit down and worked on some engines cleaning and rebuilding the motors and they work well! still need to work on my skills as it has been a long time since I have done saudering and such. but still having fun and tyco is a cheaper form to do these things too and not sweat it out to much
later
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