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Here are photos of side by side early and letter on Athearn GP7-9 Locomotives. The newer Athearn is Powered and the older a dummy. The older has it's unique plastic frame and the horn location is different with no holes drilled into the roof on the short hood . Some variations can be seen in the paint schema and graphics.
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Posted - October 27 2010 : 10:57:51 AM
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i've never heard of globe, looks pretty good though.
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Posted - October 27 2010 : 11:37:57 AM
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| Globe never had a GP unit it's an early Athearn unit dummy. This was released in 1957
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Posted - October 27 2010 : 12:36:52 PM
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quote:Globe never had a GP unit it's an early Athearn unit dummy. This was released in 1957
Originally posted by cmgnnut - October 27 2010 : 11:37:57 AM
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Yes globe didn't make the GP9
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Posted - October 28 2010 : 01:04:20 AM
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quote:quote:Globe never had a GP unit it's an early Athearn unit dummy. This was released in 1957
Originally posted by cmgnnut - October 27 2010 : 11:37:57 AM
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Your info isn't complete. Globe did make them.
Originally posted by toptrain - October 27 2010 : 12:36:52 PM
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Actually he is right. The GP7 "GP9" was released in 1957 as an Athearn - never Globe and never sold in Globe boxes. The trucks for the all plastic dummies were carried over from the F7 (which of course WAS Globe originally). The dummies had plastic horns, the powered ones had brass. Some powered versions were sold by Lionel in 1958 as well - the only differences being the little "L" on the sides. Athearn started using metal Hi-F drive frames for the dummies in the early 60's replacing the all plastic ones as well as the same metal truck sideframes tooled for the powered versions (based on the Globe trucks but less detailed). About the same time they replaced the cab mounted horns with the nose mounted ones which are shared with several other Athearn models (it was all about parts simplification and reduced costs). I have a variety of these GP7's from all era's including 2 Wabash ones - one Lionel (both Hi-F) with the brass horns, 2 CB&Q in the classic black and gray. One of these is a mint dummy unit in its original Athearn yellow box with plastic cab mounted horns. The other one is a dual gear drive powered unit with both brass horns. I also have a mint unassembled Santa Fe dummy (yellow box) with the Hi-F frame and metal trucks and nose mounted horns. I also have a Hi-F drive International Minerals and Chemical unit (from the very rare trainset) which has the same details as the Santa Fe. These two still have the cab horn mounts not filled in which Athearn did in the later years. Other changes included redoing the trucks back in plastic for dummies about 1966 (using the exact same mold as the metal ones thereby leaving them less detailed than the earlier Globe tooled versions). There were motor changes, flywheels added etc and of course the highly lauded new plastic Blombergs came about in 1984. Athearn finally rebadged them as GP7's in 1998 and sold them as such until 2002 when they were finally discontinued.
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PS keep in mind Athearn bought Globe at the same time the F7 was being introduced (1954)
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Posted - October 28 2010 : 10:35:06 AM
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Olympic Express in particular released a GP9 with the coppied drive and body . They improved the drive with additional weight.
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Posted - October 28 2010 : 10:54:38 AM
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Irv Athearn had already acquired Globe Models in full by the time the F7 was introduced -Athearn was still focusing on metal kits with Globe being the plastic subsidiary. Its conceivable that they had planned to market the GP7/9 as a Globe but by 1957 when the model was put on the market the Globe line was dissolved and it came out as an Athearn. If youve seen them in Globe boxes - they were not original. The first boxes these were sold in were yellow boxes (both with the Santa Fe F passenger picture and the SP black widow Geep/trestle one - unique to the GP7). I stand by my assertion - the GP7 was Athearn from day one.
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Posted - October 28 2010 : 11:18:22 AM
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I have not seen anthing saying that Athearn used the Globe name to release a group of cars. Do the boxes have the Athearn name on them, or the paperwork inside have the Athearn name on it along with the Globe name? if this happened someone would find it. Untill then Athearn GPs have two horns on top of the short hood, and the F7A two headlights. Early GP9s had horns on its GP9 cab faceing both ways, and the F7A 1 head light. I know that Athearn did realease both in the early version untill they retooled both models. Because no indication or difference in construction is made, the differences noted above must refer to who produced them. frank
First the Olympic GP7 dive with a Athearn body #5600.
Second what I think is a early Athearn GP9 drive with the number on the engine 5641. the number on the Athearn yellow box is 5621. Maybe this body is the Olympic body.
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Posted - October 28 2010 : 11:42:00 AM
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Well after collecting Athearn for 50+ years my statement that Globe NEVER made the GP'S stands. I have Athearn in the boxes and and unbuilt kits.
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Posted - October 28 2010 : 11:51:04 AM
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sigh...I give up. Believe what you want - I know Im right and standing with it. The only plastic diesel ever sold under the Globe Models name was the F7. nonetheless here's my CB&Q all plastic dummy with cab mounted horns in its original ATHEARN box with instruction sheet with Globe no where on it.
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Posted - October 28 2010 : 12:31:30 PM
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Hi Guys.
I have done some research. The Greenberg Guide to Athearn Trains by Dallas J. Mallerich III.
who published this Guide in 1987 after many years of research and interviews with Irv Athearn and others.
On July 2,1951 Athearn purchased Globe. At that time Globe's only engine they made was the F7 along some Plastic Freight cars. Information found on Page 28 of Guide.
On Page 35-36 It states that Athearn Created the tooling for the GP 9 with it's own resources in 1957. It was to be Athearn's 2nd diesel engine. It also states the reason for the plastic frame was the diecast frame was too expensive to use as a dummy at the time. So they decided to made a plastic frame to keep costs down. They probably used the Globe design to make it. I have scanned the pages 35-36, that has the information stated on it.
It is possible that over the years due to the similarity of the GP 9 plastic frame to the F7 Globe, that some people may have thought they were made by Globe. Indirectly they were, except that it was Athearn that made the frame many years after they purchased Globe. Another interesting item, the Pacemaker HOBO Engine made in the early 1950's used the Globe F7 Body. At the time Athearn had purchased Globe and was selling the shells to Pacemaker Co.  Carl
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Posted - October 28 2010 : 1:30:04 PM
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* The Greenburg guide is a good reefernce source. Very good explination. And something in writiing from a publiched source. So athearn did release and design the body of the GP9. They then put there globe drive parts into it it provide a geared drive. I can easily accept this.
Thanks a lot for the clearing up of this.
frank
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Posted - October 28 2010 : 7:15:28 PM
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my athearn,fitted with band drive,ken
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Posted - October 28 2010 : 8:28:16 PM
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Here is my pair of Wabash GP7's. The all gray cab version is Lionel the blue cab regular Athearn. Both are Hi-F and have both brass horns.
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Posted - October 28 2010 : 8:36:37 PM
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Another pic of the Wabash pair.
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Posted - October 28 2010 : 8:58:52 PM
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Here's My Wabash with Early Gear Drive and Rare Wabash with Light Blue Cab with Red Logo.. Carl
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Posted - October 29 2010 : 10:19:15 AM
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Now here is another Wabash GP7. This is a Penn Line. same number. Also the caboose that came with it.
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Posted - October 29 2010 : 11:12:16 AM
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Here's a mint never assembled Santa Fe from the early 60's (nose mounted horns). I had spare dynamic brake hatches and put them on for better looks - the ones that came with it are still sealed in their parts baggy.
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Posted - October 29 2010 : 11:32:17 AM
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Nice Santa fe paint. Not use to seeing it. Mostly a north east person.
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Posted - October 29 2010 : 12:10:27 PM
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Still my favorite. The very rare IMCX unit from the promo train set (early 60's). Unit is Hi-F drive.
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Posted - October 29 2010 : 12:44:07 PM
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hehe np frank I in the western states & SF is cool but I do like eastern railroads too
Also the Wabash is cool but if you think about it It sounds like a sound effect Like you hit something 
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Posted - October 29 2010 : 2:52:20 PM
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| The International train I've seen is green not blue green was this your camera changing the colors ?
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Posted - October 29 2010 : 2:54:41 PM
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its the lighting. The colors are Great Northern glacier green and B&O Delux Gold.
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Posted - October 29 2010 : 3:04:19 PM
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| I sure would like to find one of these been looking a long time and only seen pics of them
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Posted - October 29 2010 : 3:06:12 PM
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I lucked into this one. Ive added a number of things and have a handrail set to paint and install.
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Posted - October 29 2010 : 10:01:48 PM
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quote:Nice Santa fe paint. Not use to seeing it. Mostly a north east person.
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Originally posted by toptrain - October 29 2010 : 11:32:17 AM
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That's one thing I love about this site. I'm a Midwest guy, so all I see is SF, BN, and UP. I get to see alot on here that I don't see anywhere else.
The Athearn GP7/9 is one of my favorites right now. I don't know, between it and the BL2 I guess I have odd tastes. I've got a Hi-F in the black and white ATSF colors that I'm eventually going to work one, and more modern ones for GN, Burlington, and MoPac. It seems like they're harder to find cheap than the GP38s and others.
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Posted - November 09 2010 : 1:08:33 PM
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Here's my Hi-F Santa Fe "Zebra". Mint condition with both brass horns - hard to find the early Geeps that still have one let alone both intact.
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Posted - November 10 2010 : 10:25:15 PM
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That's the one I've got in line for repairs. I just got some good deals on GP9s from ebay, so when I get them in a few days I'll post some pics to this thread. Right now I've got more shells than motors/frames, so I occasionally rotate.
Any easy replacement for the older horns? Can you whittle down the newer horn?
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Posted - November 11 2010 : 09:37:06 AM
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me too B77 I sees the same BNSF & UP here too tho I does see the occasinal eastern railroad like N&S & CSX Heck one time I was down in North Platte last year there was FerroMex loco in the yard! 
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Posted - November 11 2010 : 09:48:27 AM
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Any easy replacement for the older horns? Can you whittle down the newer horn?
Originally posted by burlington77Â -Â November 10 2010Â :Â 10:25:15 PM
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I guess that's possible - either that or strip the longer forward trumpet from a 3 chime horn (like those used on the GP35/SD45/DD40 etc). The horns for the early GP7's (brass and plastic) are so difficult to find - as are the oddball 2 chime horns used exclusively on the GP30.
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Posted - November 17 2010 : 9:04:04 PM
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Here's a quick snapshot of my GP 7/9s:
The GN shell at the top came from a box lot. It's got a complete set of handrails that I'm saving for later.
The MoPac shell is one of my favorite "finds." It originally had a modern flywheel motor, which is now under the other GN in the picture. I swap them occasionally because I have more shells than motors. I found it dirty and unwanted at a train show for $3. It cleaned up great. My only complaint is that the blue looks too dark compared to every other MoPac I've seen.
The Milwaukee loco has a Pitmann drive, and someone on here recently told me it's probably a Penn Line. I don't know, but it's not a bad runner. Kinda noisy.
The black Burlington is my new favorite. I just got it in a box lot. All it needed was cleaning and new rubber bands.
The second GN was a dummy, currently riding on the MoPac's motor.
The red Burlington is much newer, and came from a garage sale lot. Excellent runner, one of my most used locos.
The ATSF was junk. The original Hi-F chassis is in the parts bin. I'm working on restoring this because I like the look of it. It's currently riding on the dummy chassis from the other GN loco, and is receiving horns and handrails from the next loco on this list.
The final shell is custom Milwaukee. The orange paint looks like a kid's coloring book up close. It's donated its handrails to the ATSF.
That's it for now. I certainly wish I had more, but they seem to be hard to find for a good price.
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Posted - November 18 2010 : 09:51:51 AM
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The MP one was painted by Bev-Bel. Other roads they did that Athearn itself didnt included, SOU, BN, DRGW, N&W and PRR.
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Posted - December 03 2010 : 7:12:49 PM
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Thanks for the history lesson on these units. The big box o' Athearn frames I bought recently has a an early GP7 drive with the large spur gears on top and the worms driving the axles... man, were they ever noisy!
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Posted - December 03 2010 : 10:06:06 PM
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Picked up some new ones. I got a gray SP shell and another CB&Q shell (with the brass horns and rails!) for cheap at a train show. I also got the SP Black Widow from a forum member.
I'm still shocked at the online prices for these. I guess I shouldn't be, as this stuff is only going to get rarer as time passes. I'm also disappointed at the way Athearn doesn't stock parts anymore. They have the left step guard but not the right, no air tanks, etc. At least I can make reasonable step guards from scrap.
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Posted - December 05 2010 : 09:18:18 AM
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Some of these parts often appear on ebay. Bowser shows having right hand step guards in stock.
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Posted - December 07 2010 : 11:10:12 AM
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Bev Bel N&W GP7
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Posted - December 07 2010 : 10:55:27 PM
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| I like the simple, plain colors of that one. It also reminds me that I need to do some painting on mine. All the chassis are still original black or silver.
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Posted - December 08 2010 : 09:19:31 AM
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quote:tried to put pic I need help
Originally posted by cmgnnut - December 08 2010 : 12:24:34 AM
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Hi the most important thing is dont let photo be to big. A big photo even if it goes in messes thing up. And use only numbers and letters. No symbols or anything. just letters and numbers. Tyhe symbol "&" will prevent the photo from posting. Say with N&W, remove the & . Good luck. Enjoy this forum.
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PS. This to. If you photo when viewed has a space to its left and goes slightly, or way out of frame to the right, edit it. In edit looking at photo info you will see the information starts and ends with the bracketed word center. This is what creates the space to the left. By removing the bracketed in word center with its bracket in the begining ( the left) side this space is removed. The photo will now start all the way to the left and fit better.
* Something else. if you use two small photos you can get them to appear side by side instead of top and bottom. The info must start on its own line with the bracked in center words removed from both ends and the info runs to gether.
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Posted - December 08 2010 : 10:52:06 PM
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Hey cmgnut--take a look at this:
http://www.tycoforums.com/tyco/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9237#34807
Hope that helps. We would all love to see any pics you want to share.
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Posted - December 09 2010 : 12:40:23 AM
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Try again
I thnk this works now I got outbid it went for big $$$
Thanks for the help
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Posted - December 09 2010 : 12:42:45 AM
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| Forgot to say looking for the Red lettered one
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Posted - December 09 2010 : 7:29:35 PM
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| I almost posted that one myself. It went for something like $108. Anyone know anything about it? I assume the top one is the rare one. I picked up the bottom one, in the box with most parts, for two bucks the other day.
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Posted - December 09 2010 : 7:59:03 PM
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Here is a picture of the Red lettered SP with horns on short hood......
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Posted - December 09 2010 : 8:44:06 PM
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It went for $140.50 plus shipping
The really rare one is the one with white lettering same paint sometimes called "white widow" as it was a paint error
I need the red lettered one to have all 3 of these and even tried to trade a set of Black Widows for one but the guy backed out when he found out I had the others already
TRADE COMPLETED TODAY ! pics of all 3 tomorrow I hope if I remember how
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Posted - December 13 2010 : 11:56:21 AM
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well i'll add my scarlett letter SP to the thread. Had to hunt for it since Ive stored some of my collection at my parent's. This one has the Hi-F drive metal frame/truck assemblies (with dummy axles). I have the original yellow box as well.
Larry
I also have the handrails in the box. Just too lazy to put them on 
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Posted - December 13 2010 : 7:34:30 PM
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Man you guys are killing me
Guess I'll have to dig out the Tyco stuff for trading material along with some Black Widows
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Posted - December 14 2010 : 11:43:00 AM
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well i'll add my scarlett letter SP to the thread. Had to hunt for it since Ive stored some of my collection at my parent's. This one has the Hi-F drive metal frame/truck assemblies (with dummy axles). I have the original yellow box as well.
Larry
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Weren't this red and light gray also called Bloody Noses.
frank
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Posted - December 14 2010 : 2:23:31 PM
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the gray and red was known as the "bloody nose" scheme in railfan and railroader circles yes. SP adopted the scheme in 1958. Athearns rendition seen in the pix I and vintageHO posted is a "foobie". The gray is too light and the only units with red lettering were some that peeled and oxidized (Athearn is releasing their RTR SW1500 like this) and the red frame stripe was never used either (except on switchers). Athearn corrected the scheme in the mid 60's. GP7's sold from then on were numbered 3702.
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Posted - December 24 2010 : 4:25:53 PM
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I hope this works here's the pics   
Black Widow Gear Drive unassembled #5600 #1
Black Widow box #2
Bloody Nose with 5600 # #3
White Widow error paint #5600 #4
Hope you all have a Happy Holiday and enjoy these
Edited by - cmgnnut on December 24 2010 4:27:42 PM
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Posted - December 24 2010 : 8:03:25 PM
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Thanks for posting those. I've got the original black widow in the box, a newer flywheel black widow, and the bloody nose.
Here's my latest, I picked it up in an ebay lot with two Life-Like locos. I'm not a big UP fan, but for the price I was happy to get another flywheel drive for one of my shells.
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Posted - January 04 2011 : 07:12:14 AM
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Looking at the pix and theorizing - I dont think the white letter 5600 was an error at all. It appears to be a later release from the red letter version - you'll notice the grey shade is not the same (its correct versus the lighter grey used on the red letter ones). I believe this version appeared in the early 60's after Athearn realized the error of the red letters/numbers of the earlier bloody nose release. Obviously the red letter version was around for a couple of years as yours is an all plastic dummy kit and mine has the metal Hi-F frame. Im assuming yours has the cab mounted horns.
Larry
PS. Not that its got all correct info by any means but the Standard Guide doesnt list the white letter 5600 as an error and actually lists the red letter ones as more rare.
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