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 Posted - July 16 2010 : 12:15:24 PM
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hi guys,i bought a mantua hudson of ebay,and its a case of i should with my knowledge of ebay,have known better but i slipped up on this one a last minute button push
it arrived wrapped in bubble wrap but no box,and in my mind not as stated in auction
i contacted seller who said he would send it out and it duly arrived,no innards and as shown
i have tried always to get guy to see that a loco that is missing bits,stripped out tender,and a incomplete box etc should have been stated in the listing,all he says is i should stop ranting i got it at a good price,and as he gave me good feedback i should do same,my question is am i being unreasonable ken
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Posted - July 16 2010 : 12:35:48 PM
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With all due respect Ken, you have the right to be upset as the picture and description are vague and did not show nor mention the unit was in a disassembled state however, this is another Ebay case of "Buyer Beware". Having said that, I believe the buyer shouldn't have to play "20 Questions" with the seller to get an accurate description of the item being sold.
You take your chances when purchasing items through Ebay and sometimes you get a lemon.
The fun part is making lemonade out of those lemons;)
I would say with your talent and ingenuity, you can make this another great part of your collection.
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Posted - July 16 2010 : 12:42:26 PM
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haven't the slightest idea as far as the engine
BUT I purchased something that was misrepresented on E Bay. Pay Pal was of no help, they are a rip off, go to Paypalsucks.com.
Fortunately i used my Capital One credit card and had documentation galore . The guy claimed i never returned the defective item even though i had a Fed Ex confirmation of delivery and would never answer e mails or the phone.
Cap One went into his account and got the money. Next day he called me all up set.
So word to the wise pay with a credit card
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Posted - July 16 2010 : 12:44:00 PM
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thanks for quick reply,you are right,buyer beware,if i showed you his answers you would as i did roll up with laughter,not interested in the missing bits,its the bits i do have,the wheels are all out,the rods are all loose it goes on,sure I CAN MAKE LEMONADE OUT OF THE LEMON,love that must remember it,the dust you can see on boiler top is whats left after i gave it a quick clean its smokers residue,sticky dust,but without repeating what you said something i will have to live with,but he sure ain`t getting positive feedback,ken
thanks for your reply derfberger its a good point ken
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Posted - July 16 2010 : 12:49:57 PM
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the trouble with ebay is we all want cheap locos,and since ebay set up,lots of retail outlets have shut their doors,plus the credit climate did not help,my nearest retailer of american locos is nearly 400 miles away,so not much choice for cheap locos ken
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Posted - July 16 2010 : 12:53:56 PM
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I don't think you're being unreasonable at all, and this is the kind of careless garbage that makes buying secondhand locos on eBay, or even a list like HO Yard Sale so frustrating sometimes. On the bright side, at least it's only disassembled and not in pieces like that 4-6-0 I posted pictures of. Why did he take it apart before shipping? There was also no need for him to keep the box, then flatten it for shipping except that he wanted to save a few pennies on postage.
Personally, I would leave neutral feedback at best.
The Tyco Depot
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Posted - July 16 2010 : 1:11:47 PM
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You're not being unreasonable at all...if you look at the picture, you can see the black wire arcing just above the coal load---a rather unusual position for a complete loco and, to me, evidence that it was deliberately posed to look complete.
Yes, before I buy on Ebay, I do look that closely to all the pictures. It's the reason why all my listings have pictures loaded from Photobucket that allow me to post photos 1000 pixels wide.
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Posted - July 16 2010 : 2:02:21 PM
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the seller just refunded my money but not the postage after not answering my last email which was yesterday,and as soon as i have had a good moan,and i get to keep the loco as he does not want it, ken
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Posted - July 16 2010 : 2:32:23 PM
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Glad to hear it Ken...
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Posted - July 16 2010 : 2:35:39 PM
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i shall have to have a moan and post it if i have problems in life,it might give me a good result but shaygetz it came as a bolt out of the blue,and made me feel a bit guilty,and i do mean a bit ken
ps i removed the ebay link as i felt after what he did,plus i looked at his feedback and felt he deserved a second chance
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Posted - July 16 2010 : 6:32:01 PM
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Well, it IS buyer beware, but also the seller should NOT pose the item so it shows the best side, and doesn't mention it's missing parts. I agree also with the statement that you shouldn't have to try to question the seller to the Nth degree to determine condition. I bought a Penn Line metal GG1 shell, had the good side shown, when I got it, the metal had actual holes in it on the other side where the casting wasn't good, and the metal was bowed and weak from being not as thick as the "good" side. I got it "cheap" at $9, but if I'd known it wasn't as good as it looked, I might not have bid at all. So I left some 4's in his feedback. I'd tried contacting them to ask questions, but got no response before auction ended in 2 days. You go with the flow, I guess, if you don't get what you expect, then you can always leave honest feedback about what you expected. Dishonest sellers will soon find out their tactics backfire, and they should be open and honest about their product, used or otherwise. Just my opinion.
Jerry
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Posted - July 16 2010 : 6:36:23 PM
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| Most of my purchases are local box lots now, I sell but rarely buy on Ebay anymore. If I do, the item has good quality 3/4 shots front and rear and the seller must answer my questions before I bid.
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Posted - July 16 2010 : 6:44:23 PM
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| there are lots of good sellers out there,but its these bad eggs that put you off buying from anyone ken
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Posted - July 16 2010 : 7:11:33 PM
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quote:there are lots of good sellers out there,but its these bad eggs that put you off buying from anyone ken
Originally posted by catfordken - July 16 2010 : 6:44:23 PM
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If there's only so much of a thing out there, you don't have much market choice. You just beware of the circumstances, and don't bid the sky unless you're prepared to risk it. I doubt I've gotten any more than 1-2% bad items out of all the 100's of auctions I've won, I don't consider that a bad risk at all. And I don't overpay because I REALLY want it. I know my limits, and stick to them (usually). If there's a bidding war, I let it go. Simple as that. Sometimes you get stung, and that's a fact, too. But I don't let it stop me from bidding on items on Ebay. I just be realistic as to condition of used and older items, and don't try to get perfection for cheap. Ain't happenin'! And if you luck out and DO get a bargain, then it's all the sweeter.
Jerry
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Posted - July 16 2010 : 11:16:21 PM
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I'm late to this discussion, but I think you were right to protest this. Your original link to the auction showed that the seller clearly didn't show what shape it was in.
My wife and I just started listing items, actually we've only done one, but it went well and we plan to do more. I think that as a regular buyer and basically honest person, I know how to list things. I wouldn't have listed that loco the way he did, and you're totally in the right calling him on it.
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Posted - July 16 2010 : 11:36:58 PM
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I have a few sellers that I work with from Ebay a lot. They are very reasonable. The problem is folks with <50 feedbacks or who have generally LOW feedback scores. You have to watch those folks.
Glad it all worked out for you in the end! Too bad you had to get your bank involved.
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Posted - July 17 2010 : 12:11:53 AM
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quote:The problem is folks with <50 feedbacks or who have generally LOW feedback scores. You have to watch those folks.
Originally posted by JohnnyKane - July 16 2010 : 11:36:58 PM
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I don't disagree with you from a buyer's standpoint, but at the same time it's hard to "establish yourself" this way. My goal is to sell off some of my extra junk for whatever price people want to pay. My wife's account for the sales currently has 1 feedback, positive, for our 1 transaction. It's hard to convince people that you're honest over the internet. Hopefully the next few items we list will sell and get us some positive feedback so we can build a good name. I don't want to get rich, I don't even want to make money, I just want to sell enough of the stuff I don't need to fund my garage sale/auction addiction.
Our first sale is a great example. I bought a box of items at an auction for $10. Four of the items were worth about $50 each. It was a great deal and I kept them. One item was incomplete, but would have been worth $80 complete. I listed it clearly as incomplete, pictures and description showed exactly what was wrong with it, and we sold it for $10.50. That more or less covered my cost for the original lot.
This is getting off topic, but it's fun to talk about the roller coaster that is ebay.
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