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derfberger
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I've been in and out of trains since i was 7 with my first 027 Lionel.
My last was 5 years ago an H O with various makes and models.

Couple of weeks ago I saw a collection of H O at a house sale and couldn't resist much to my wife's chagrin

What i obtained was a boxed Chatanooga Choo Choo #7332 91-0-283-T4. Everything was in the original boxes and looked new. a Tyco track layout expander that had been used but not the switches. other Tyco cars. An Athern CSX 6-6 Deisel, Lima Italy B & O 1967 Switcher, three Life Like buildings to be built, Tunnel, bridge.

I was all fired up, got books from the library and was designing my layout.

I was thrilled until i took it all to the local Hobby Shop. I was told the Tyco train was good for putting on a mantel or sitting in a round house. They were kind, the look on their faces said a lot more. The steel and brass track they said is nothing but trouble--nickel/silver is the way to go. The Athern peaked some interest but I found i'll need 22 in radius minimum to operate. They liked the switcher.

So here i am shot down and ready to box up everything and sell on E Bay.

Sorry for the long story. Here's my question. I tried to run the Tyco engine. It ran so so on the steel track 16 inch radius after i gave the track a good cleaning. When i put it on 18 in brass circle it doesn't have any traction. The wheels spin, i give it a nudge, it goes about 2-3 ft and slows and stops, the wheels keep spinning, no cars being towed.. I notice the plastic drive wheels on the tender are grooved. Is this O K or is it from sitting and spinnng from previous use? Any way to give more traction?

I hope it doesn't end up on my mantel

thanks

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shaygetz
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Welcome to the hobby---and TYCO.

All is not lost with your Chat, many of us here remotor them with CD ROM drive motors. It sounds like your traction tire---little O rings on the drive wheels---are shot and need replacing, hence no traction.

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http://s126.photobucket.com/albums/p96/1shaygetz/videos/?action=view¤t=PA060189.flv

The Athearn 6x6s were built to take 18" radius curves---unless it is the later Genesis series, but that is unlikely in a box lot.

The track you have can be made to work but it is your weakest element. Clean it well, try to avoid the steel track, make sure your joiners are good and secure and have at it. As your desire in the hobby grows, then you can get into nickle silver flex track and all that other stuff.

Folks in hobby shops are there to make a living...not dispense wisdom on dealing with older trains. They forget---if they ever knew to begin with---that years ago brass track and TYCO were it and everyone ran it. It just takes a bit of dedication, some mechanical sense and a bit of patience to make them work. traits that aren't necessary or desired in today's ready to run hobbies.

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burlington77
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Let me be the first to welcome you. I'll leave the Chattanooga advice to the old timers, but in general--I wouldn't spend to much time at that hobby shop. They're right that brass and steel are high maintenance, but that doesn't mean you can't start a fun layout with them. As for the locos, most things can be fixed up and used if they're not completely destroyed. Too many hobby shops these days turn up their nose at equipment that is perfectly usable in favor of the "latest thing."

Personally, I much prefer brass track. I skip steel. Other guys will tell you the exact opposite. The truth is that either one will work if kept clean. You might have to go as far as rubbing light sandpaper over the rails.

Have you tried the CSX? I'm not sure exactly what loco you mean, but it might run on the 18 radius track. The guys at the hobby shop might have been a little picky on that one. Also be sure to check the wheels of the locos. They need to be absolutely clean.

Even if your locos don't run right away, don't lose hope. Yes, you picked some "high maintenance" gear to start with, but it can work. Even if you set it aside until you acquire other equipment, it's worth it.

Good luck, and once again, welcome! This is a great place to ask questions.

EDIT: I see that while I was being long-winded in my response, shaygetz beat me to the first post. So, let me be SECOND to welcome you.

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Redneck Justin
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I Tyco Trains were meant for fun. I still buy and operate them. Buy them cheap because nobody wants 'em! Nothing wrong with oper. access. right?!

" Heck with counting 'em rivets, TRAINS ARE FOR FUN! Not called the Mad Scientist for nothing either!"
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Couple of weeks ago I... obtained a boxed Chatanooga Choo Choo #7332 91-0-283-T4.
I was all fired up, ...and was designing my layout.
I was thrilled until i took it all to the local Hobby Shop. I was told the Tyco train was good for putting on a mantel or sitting in a round house.

>>> Number 1, listen to the experts, THEN get a 2nd opinion. It's what YOU want, not what they think you should have, that matters...they're trying to help (some), but they aren't in the TYco restoration business, and could care less about older equipment.

The steel and brass track they said is nothing but trouble-

>>> It can be, or you can use some elbow muscle to clean them up. People did it for years, so there's no reason not to, if you don't want to spend big $'s now, to use it. Should you use it for a big, permanent layout, when better materials are available? Probably not. You should start small, build a manageable layout with what you have acquired, operate it, and THEN decide if/how to build a bigger layout, with better parts. My opinion.

So here i am shot down and ready to box up everything and sell on E Bay.
>>> If the experts think it's no good, do you think you'll get much for it on Ebay? Track like that is almost junk for resale, don't bother. There's boxes of it unsold on Ebay ( do some research ). Again, for toy or pleasure operating, it's fine to use, if you want to build a permanent layout, I'd think twice. As far as the engines go, if the motor isn't frozen or cooked, it may just require some maintenance to get it running properly again, ie the rubber wheel friction tires that give it traction. Modern engines use magnetized wheelsets and heavy chassis's , so all you probably need is some oil and new tires for the wheels, and it'll run fine.

I notice the plastic drive wheels on the tender are grooved. Is this O K or is it from sitting and spinnng from previous use? Any way to give more traction?
I hope it doesn't end up on my mantel

>>> That tells me that the rubber friction O-ring tires are missing. You just need new ones. Remember, with old stuff, patience is required to get them back operational. Nothings quick and easy when you have to revive older units. Those O-rings are available for sale, but you need to track them down for your model, so again , it will take some perserverence and patience on your part to accomplish the restoration to operating condition. If you suffer from Drive-thru mentality ( ie, want it now or forget it ), then sell it on Ebay. On the other hand, if you show some patience and take the time to acquire the necessary parts to fix your new engine, you can be rewarded for your efforts with a fine running engine. It's really all in what you want and can afford. Nothing wrong with the Tyco, other than it's NOT a top-of-the-line manufactured engine, but it can give you much pleasure once it's running. This is a great forum to find said parts, and get help. take some pictures of the wheels, post them here, and we'll see if we can help you. Jerry



Originally posted by derfberger - June 25 2010 :  9:41:22 PM


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microbusss
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welcome to our club I got a place to get motors too

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derfberger
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Thank you all very much

Today i went to another Hobby shop before reading your answers and questioned why the grooves in the wheels. Like you said the tires are missing. The motor runs fine

I work at Home Depot and i'm sure i can find an o ring that will work. Also the rubber bands used for teeth braces are quite tough. anyone have a source????

I also agree the athern deisel will make a 18 in radius track because part of the stuff i bought was sections of 18 inch. It will be a tight turn and i will have to be careful when laying out parallel curves. 20-22 in flex will be better.

I will be converting all the couplers to knuckle .

again thanks for your encouragement. next step is to finalize my design, build the platform and lay the track

will send pics when progress warrents it

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burlington77
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Awesome, keep it up!

As for the dental elastics, they aren't really good to use. Some of them decay into a sticky mess. Now, having said that, I have used them temporarily. But if you work at Home Depot you should have no problem with o-rings.
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NC shortlines
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derfberger,
Why don't you start a new topic in the Layout section of the forum? I think it will be interesting to see your layout grow. And there is a TYCO motive power section you could start a post about your locomotive. (already there, dunthat, I see.)
Also, there might still be some track left for sale in the Trading Post forum.

I have several old (are there any new ones?) TYCO locos. They are inexpensive and fun to play with.
I'd like to see a photo of that Atheran loco, too. A little cleaning and lubing will do wonders.




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