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 Posted - December 21 2006 : 10:29:21 PM
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The lone pic aroused my suspicion, so after asking the seller to confirm a couple things and adjust the outrageous flat shipping charge, I ended up with this:
Of course the one segment of the end cage is broken, but that's easily fixed.
The oddly-placed reporting marks and capy data - a dubious Tyco trademark of sorts - are what made me hopeful this was a legit item, which it is. [}:)] At least they put them on the LEFT side of the car on this one! But take special note of the CU.FT. spec: 525G? (it should be 5250) [:P]
Inccorectly mixed hatches (and cribbing of Athearn) aside, these are some of Tyco's best cars. I've always wondered why they never released more roadnames. But this is the first promo-version I've seen; I wonder what others are out there?
Of course this did not came with a box. So if anyone has info regarding availability, stock#, etc, that would be good....
Edited by - GoingInCirclez on December 21 2006 10:38:00 PM
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 Posted - December 21 2006 : 10:53:37 PM
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Tony L.,
I will check my IHC/Tyco mold hoppers and confirm if IHC did this car, or not. I'll get back to ya before Sunday evening.
Me thinks it may be like the 3 Boxed "Corn Products" Chemical Tank Cars from eBay a few months back...done custom by a hobby shop, Bev-Bel, or something similar. The graphics look pro.
I have never seen any centerflow hoppers as promos...but as we all know, ANYTHING WAS/IS POSSIBLE with Tyco.
I sold Alex a mint, solid white/undecked centerflow hopper...so it is quite possible.
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 Posted - December 21 2006 : 11:48:59 PM
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ThOR - I have 2 of those Corn Products tank cars; they're VERY well done! They were done by IHC in the mid-90's or so. I got them because the company they were based on, Argo Corn Products Co., was headquartered in Summit/Argo IL, about 3 miles from my house! Place looks like an oil refinery and the smell of cornstarch is overpowering and while not unpleasant, is somewhat, um, aggravating? It's very strange! At any rate they didn't actually own tankers like those (they leased fleets of plain black UTLX tanks), but the colors and graphics are faithful and go well with the various center flows that were/are on the market.
The Alcan car DOES have the TYCO logo embossed on the underside - didn't IHC remove those?
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Posted - December 22 2006 : 08:39:46 AM
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Possibly very interesting find! I saw that and assumed it was custom paint or perhaps IHC.
I think you're correct that IHC's runs, from what I've examined, usually have the TYCO Hong Kong buffed out. You can usually see the area where the mold once said TYCO Hong Kong.
Sure looks legit to me, especially after the comments made by Tony L. regarding the placement of data and the TYCO mark on the bottom.
Here's a 1990s IHC Jell-O Covered Hopper from a Hy-Vee grocery stores 3-pack...
The IHC origin mark...
Here's an old TYCO Morton Salt Covered Hopper...
TYCO name on one end of the car's bottom
TYCO name and country of origin on the other end of the car.
Tony Cook
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http://ho-scaletrains.net
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Posted - December 22 2006 : 2:34:12 PM
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Here's the underside of the Alcan car:
And for comparison along with a similarly-colored catalog relase:
The good news is, I think I found my donor for that broken cage post [:D] And if you compare the fonts, sizing, and placement of the reporting marks & capy data - especially the "525G" on BOTH cars - and the base and data colors used, they look convincingly similar to me....
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ThOR,
Here's my CPC fleet:
^ Is that the chemical tank car you were referring to? I have two of those.
Everyone, pay attention to those marking details, as they're he quickest distinction between a Tyco and an IHC release! IHC's ex-tyco cars generally feature MUCH higher paint quality, and include better data that is sized and located properly. But the biggest giveaway is the COTS stencil ("black boxes" in lower-right section of a car) - Tyco NEVER applied these on a production model, but most if not all of IHC's versions have them. (Tyco did show COTS stencils on the cataloged Billboard Railbox, but I have never seen one with them).
Of course, being a promo item, Tony C.'s Jello car above doesn't have these details either... but it's still a good general rule to follow.
CPC center-flows. The left is a Bev-Bel/Athearn from who knows when; the right is a new Atlas Trainman, released earlier this year.
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Posted - December 24 2006 : 5:05:23 PM
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Yup. No IHC Corn Products hoppers in my collection. It is definitely a Tyco. There's another one I never knew existed.
Yeah...I was referring to that particular CPC chemical tanker...there was a lot of 3 a few months back on eBay.
Good find!
-ThOR
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Posted - January 01 2007 : 12:27:12 AM
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The whole time I'd been looking at this Alcan car, I kept thinking: "I've seen this data before."
And while digging through the graveyard this weekend, I found it:
I think that settles it for good: What we have here is a gen-you-wine, uncataloged, previously unknown Tyco Center Flow... [:D]
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 Posted - August 10 2023 : 4:09:25 PM
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Originally posted by Tony Cook on December 22 2006
Looks a bit better than the Tyco version. Perhaps at your local train show next time.
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