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 Posted - September 16 2008 : 08:55:55 AM
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this is a new scale invented this year by the japanese,ken
T scale 1:450 3 Announced by Eishindo of Japan in 2006 (and finally released for sale in 2008), T Gauge is the smallest commercially available model railroading scale in the world. Several trains are available, complete with track, as well as many accessories including buildings, people, trees and vehicles. The trains run on metal rails and controlled by a power supply
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Posted - September 17 2008 : 6:53:07 PM
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T = TOO SMALL Would have to buy magnifier glasses to operate--leave it to the Japanese to invent this as available space in their country is about the same--L-O-L
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Posted - September 17 2008 : 6:54:12 PM
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Dam thats small! How did they fit a motor in it???
The concept of making trains smaller to fit more in a small space is good, but I mean really...is this practicle? Although, I guess you could use those to build a layout in a shoebox or somethin...that'd be kind of cool
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Posted - September 17 2008 : 8:06:39 PM
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I remember the first time I saw an N scale loco in real life.
I was amazed! 
Of course the same thing happened when I first saw Z scale... 
I'd like to see someone try to paint a T scale person. All I would say is, GOOD LUCK!
    
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Posted - September 17 2008 : 9:02:24 PM
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That's a confusing moniker, because TT scale (1/120, about halfway between HO and N) has been around for at least 50 years.
Oh well, at least the advertising should make the distinction clear:
"T Gauge: All the fun of going blind, without the Diabetes"
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Posted - September 18 2008 : 01:30:26 AM
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| G-I-C Love Your quote!!!" Going blind without diabetes" R-O-F-L--Brian
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Posted - September 18 2008 : 05:12:09 AM
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| there is another scale between z and t gauge,zz gauge can you image getting them on the rails 3mm (t gauge) i believe without a re railer,ken
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Posted - September 18 2008 : 12:52:57 PM
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You could wear them as jewelry, earings or on a chain around your neck!
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Posted - September 18 2008 : 12:54:49 PM
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for their size very cheap i think ken
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Plaza-Japan_Eishindo_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ158705010QQftidZ2QQtZkm
http://cgi.ebay.com/Basic-Track-and-Power-Box-Set-120R-Eishindo-T-Gauge_W0QQitemZ360088744567QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item360088744567&_trkparms=72%3A1222%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
check out the videos
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Posted - September 18 2008 : 5:37:09 PM
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Wow you're right Ken that isn't near as expensive as one would assume. Or at least that I would assume.
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I've been following the development of T gauge for about the last 18 months. It seemed to be just another cute Japanese gimmick at first, but it has become obvious that Eishindo are out to make this a serious entry in the list of model railway scales.
Although my main interest is O scale, I've long had a fascination with N and smaller. Other sub-Z scale trains have been little more than toys or gimmicks. TY scale (1:900) looked serious (and the prices are serious too) but the train was stuck to a belt and didn't actually run on rails. I don't know much about ZZ scale, but I think that was battery operated on plastic track.
Calling it T gauge (3mm gauge) is a bit confusing. I've already had people think I'm talking about TT - which is 3mm scale - 3mm to the foot. I've ordered the promotional pack from Eishindo and will be able to tell you more once I have that.
Some possibilities to consider with T gauge.
- Modelling miniature railways in HO or even N scale. I think it works out at 3 1/2" gauge in O scale
- Model of a model railway in larger scales
- narrow gauge in N and Z scales
Also think about this. 1 mile in T gauge is 12 feet. Or for the metric among us, 2.22m is 1 km. As the models so far are EMU sets, it would be possible to build a suburban / commuter rail system with scale distances between stations without needing an aircraft hangar to house it.
Provided you can get the trains to run at scale speeds, it would be possible to operate to timetable in real time. 
Anyway, I'll post of my experiences once the models have arrived. Will be interesting to see if they send me mad or not.
By the way, the photo below pretty much illustrates my non-discriminatory approach to the different model railway scales and gauges.
My O scale layout with N and Z gauge models representing a live steam miniature railway.
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Posted - November 29 2008 : 05:59:28 AM
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Okay - time to continue this subject. I've had my T gauge for 5 weeks now and have already built a layout. The following series of photos are not for the faint-hearted.
This stuff is SERIOUSLY small. The photo below shows HO scale figures beside a T gauge passenger car.
But what about T scale figures you ask? Well, see below.
No, I don't have large fingers. The one at bottom right is a dog - sitting.
Placing a figure with the specially made tweezers.
Like the rock wall along the perimeter of the park? They are actually pieces of Woodland Scenics coarse ballast.
T, N and HO tracks.
Japanese suburban commuter train whirring past the park. The train is a little over 1/4" high.
Tunnel, made from styrene. It's about an inch wide.
Train approaching the level crossing. You can imagine the fun of making the road sections between the rails.
Train in the cutting.
Here's the whole layout - not finished yet. It measures 16 x 24" - including the comtrol panel hidden behind the backscene.
The pond, complete with (overfed) Koi.
Serenity plus.
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Posted - November 29 2008 : 06:35:15 AM
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hi B 67 excellent,so it could fit in a suitcase,i would love to see what you could do with an 8x4 base,you certainly need good eyes,and a steady hand,but for the size your layout would give anybody pleasure,look forward to seeing it finished, looks good now ken
you might find some nice bits here
http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/list/1067/0/1
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Posted - November 29 2008 : 4:47:11 PM
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That must've been a pain to make...so tiny I looked at that pic of the track comparison, and my first thought was that T scale tracks were only slightly wider than just the rail of an HO track O_o
Amazing job on the layout. Nice pics too...you must have a good camera. If I tried taking pics of that, it would've just been blurry lines :S
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Posted - November 29 2008 : 4:58:57 PM
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Wow that's amazing!
I really like the picture of the HO figures, it shows how tiny T gauge really is.
Cheez, when I take pictures of small stuff, I ALWAYS use the macro setting. And if it's still blurry, use the super-macro setting.
I'm not sure if cheaper cameras have super-macro though...
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 Posted - November 29 2008 : 11:50:12 PM
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Hi,
Very nice work! I really like the pond with the over fed fish LOL!
Mike
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Posted - November 30 2008 : 12:26:24 AM
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So when are you going to hang the catenary wires?
Just kidding,nice work,check out www.therailwire.net and check out chris333s t scale Budd Rail Diesel Cars made from etched brass.
It's under the Z scale forums.
Carl T.
President of the Cape James Terminal RR.
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Posted - November 30 2008 : 03:20:51 AM
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Ken, an 8 x 4 base might be madness in this scale. You could model a small country in that space. Well, maybe not, but making that much T scenery could be tedious. Although my layout is tiny and just a double-track oval, there's almost the same amount of time needed to the scenics.
Curves are 120 and 132.5mm radius. So could build a 'large' layout in a suitcase. I've made my base larger than needed for the oval of track. It would easily fit in a briefcase had I wanted to do so.
I have most of the current range of T gauge products as I obtained a T gauge promotional pack. I built the layout to get a 'feel' for the scale, and it will assist in promoting the scale too. Which is my intention - for I run a hobby shop. :) I shall be stocking T gauge soon.
Yes, steady hand and good close-up eyesight are important in this scale. Anyone who can superdetail HO models or is comfortable with N or Z scales should be able to adapt well to T scale if they wanted to try it. For the record, my main interest is O scale.
Camera? The camera I used would be considered a cheapie today. It's a 3.2Mp Konica-Minolta DiMage Z10. It actually has more features than my now unused 35mm SLR, including full manual to full auto operation and any combo in between. Good macro ability (obviously). The one thing you can't do is change lenses.
My opinion is it is not the camera that takes the photos, it's the person operating it. I was able to get similar photos on my previous 'point-and-shoot' digital by knowing how to manipulate the sliding macro switch (I held it half-on, half-off) to get great depth of field. On the other hand I've seen worse photos by people using much 'better' cameras than me.
Catenary Carl? Can't you see the super-fine wires I used?
No, like their N scale, Japanese modellers seem to prefer to 'suggest' the presence of wires with finely detailed masts. I'm glad they do as cleaning the track and putting trains on the track would be a nightmare.
I'm already on David K.Smith's T gauge forum, so I knew about the Budd RDC. incredible stuff isn't it? I have someone nearby building Australian trains in T scale too.
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Posted - November 30 2008 : 06:14:27 AM
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| i know it would be madness and very tedious,i was just hoping to get the imagination working,the whole of kings cross and euston on one layout,the point work would take years on its own,but again i say your layout looks great ken
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Posted - December 01 2008 : 07:31:19 AM
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| As yet, I'm unaware of anyone doing a 'large' layout in T gauge. But no doubt it will happen. I think most will wait for the turnouts and flex track to be released before embarking on anything complex.
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 Posted - December 01 2008 : 3:03:14 PM
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I just thought of something, and the numbers are almost correct, BUT...
If T scale was just a little bit smaller, it would be perfect for representing an actual model railway, not a live steam railway, on a G scale layout.
So if you had a G scale layout, you could have figures operating a G scale, G scale layout.
Still confused? Well, G scale is about 1:22.5, and T scale is 1:450. Divide 450 by 22.5, and you get 20. So T scale would be the same as a 1:20 model railway, if you are using G scale.
I hope somebody understands what I'm trying to say, because I think it would be SO cool...
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Posted - December 01 2008 : 3:07:10 PM
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| i assume you mean real railways and a model one ken
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Posted - December 01 2008 : 3:11:19 PM
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quote:i assume you mean real railways and a model one ken
Originally posted by catfordken-December 01 2008: 3:07:10 PM
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I think...let's say you have a G scale layout outside. Well, you could make a model of your G scale layout using T scale equipment.
A G scale layout within a G scale layout.
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Posted - December 01 2008 : 6:32:30 PM
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| I understand what you're suggesting Matt. Others have come up with the same idea on other forums. G scale model of a G scale model railway. One wonders if any doll house modellers will be interested in T gauge. Do doll houses come with basements? :)
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Posted - December 01 2008 : 10:28:01 PM
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Or, it could be "Live Steam" in HO.
Some friends in my local NMRA chapter have an extensive (and I do mean huge... google "Grosser's Nostalgia Trip") HO scale layout... complete with a scale replica of the very same layout, visible inside a model of the barn in which it used to reside.
I am far too nearsighted and stonefingered to ever consider T gauge. But it does seem impressive.
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Posted - June 28 2009 : 9:15:17 PM
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I'm sorry if I'm rehashing old topics, but I missed out on this the first time around. T, anyone?... http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt237/DJdeTrainman/T%20gauge/ I've been working with T since last Christmas, and it's been a blast. Just got flex recently, too. The layout pictured is gone, but new one(s) on the way. Oh, and this summer, there should be switches, bridges, half sections, and nearly everything to make it a widely-accpeted scale! LONG LIVE T!!!!!
P.S.- If interested, look here: http://www.t-gauge.net.forum3/
D.J. (Yeah, I'm "that kid"... Deal.)
http://railroadrandomness.blogspot.com/
Look; a new blog...
Yippee!
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Posted - February 17 2013 : 6:16:59 PM
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| T-gauge is actually a decent idea, think of it, a guy on youtube made a T gauge layout..... on a hat. THINK OF THE POSSIBILITIES!!!!!!
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Posted - February 17 2013 : 6:17:45 PM
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| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4YweifEvMo, this is proof of the hat layout
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