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 Posted - September 08 2008 : 1:59:10 PM
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I have a couple of Rivarossi passenger cars from, I think, their series that is representative of 1920's cars.
A previous owner converted the Rivarossi couplers to Kadee, but I would like to change them back to Rivarossi. Anyone know a source of the 'long arm' Rivarossi couplers?
Thank you
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Posted - September 08 2008 : 2:04:35 PM
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hi TankedEngine do i take it you want hook and horn couplers ken
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Posted - September 08 2008 : 3:18:16 PM
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quote:hi TankedEngine do i take it you want hook and horn couplers ken
Hi
I am not sure of the technical name, will check tonight, however from memory they are at least 1" long & I think pivot on a pin that is set under the middle of the truck. They are 'long & elegant' by comparison to Kadee short arm set up. I will give a better description tonight.
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Posted - September 08 2008 : 7:04:48 PM
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Ok
A bit more detail. Yes they are Horn-hook couplers. I have a '1920's car from 2 different roads. One has the original Horn-hook couplers: They pivot under the front axle of a 3 axle truck at the front & rear of the car. They are about 13/8" total length. The truck has a '2' molded on its underside as well as the 'Rivarossi, made in Italy' stampings. The car that has been modified is also 3 axle, but the truck has a '1' stamped on the underside as well as the 'Rivarossi made etc'.
The trucks look similar but it appears that the #2 has metal wheels & the #1, plastic.
My questions are these:
Are the Rivarossi horn-hook couplers obtainable & can they be fitted to the truck by popping the axle that covers the pivot point??, or does one have to purchase a complete truck/coupler unit? & if so, from where?
Thank you
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Posted - September 08 2008 : 9:48:19 PM
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Tanked,
You're talking about the long shank couplers with the square hole that take the C spring. I'll tell you what I just told Gareth, check with Joe, apee629 on eBay. He has tons of old AHM/Riv parts, but doesn't sell many on eBay because of the hassle. In fact, he'll probably kill me for sending everybody to him. 
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Posted - September 08 2008 : 11:37:46 PM
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Hi Tanked. First, If the trucks had Kadee conversions installed. Then the pivot point was cut off in order to get the adapter installed properly. Then you would need to replace the trucks and couplers.
If the coupler pivot point is still there, then you have to identify which one of the two types of Rivarossi couplers you need. The early type with the square hole and C spring or the later style which is the same as the IHC/Rivarossi Coupler. If you have the later style I would suggest you Use the McHenry Coupler #53 For the 6 wheel truck. It has the same type of shank as the original with a knuckle type coupler like a Kadee. This would be the easiest and least expensive. Two pair for $3.99.
If you have the Rivarossi square hole type, they are hard to find and are about $3 to $4 a pair. The guy Nickelplate knows might be able to help you.
If you go with replacing the trucks use The IHC/Rivarossi 6 wheel trucks they will fit the all the Rivarossi Cars. If you can find them. IHC has not been making much lately.
Walthers currently has the rights to Sell Rivarossi in the US and they have not listed any replacement parts as of yet.
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Posted - September 08 2008 : 11:46:09 PM
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quote:The problem with Rivarossi parts right now, is that because of a Legal settlement. IHC will not be making anymore passenger car or parts. Walthers currently has the rights to Rivarossi and they are not listing any replacement parts as of yet.
Originally posted by VintageHO-September 08 2008: 11:37:46 PM
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I assumed that Hornby owned all of the rights. Does Walthers have any plans to put those passenger cars back in production? Their own cars are much more detailed, but I would think there's still a market for the Rivarossis.
And you're right: if those trucks had the square coupler pins, they were removed when the Kadees were installed.
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Posted - September 09 2008 : 04:51:47 AM
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2 things to point out,hornby has all copy rights to rivarossi,thay are already producing the big boy and a range of cn&w,pennsylvania and union pacific cars check the link,http://rivarossi.hornbyinternational.com/all-products/coaches/
the second is i would have thought the kadees he was talking about were in fact mchenrys,which look like kadees but with the rivarossi fitting see link
http://www.mchenrycouplers.com/
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this link shows the service sheet for the new rivarossi coaches ken
http://rivarossi.hornbyinternational.com/all-products/coaches/hr-4039/
finally this is the real mccoy,as fitted by rivarossi,if i get my set of mchenrys you would be most welcome to the ones i have for the cost of postage ken
/tyco/forum/uploaded/catfordken/2842837942_421f48e9dc_o.jpg
Edited by - catfordken on September 09 2008 06:27:40 AM
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Posted - September 09 2008 : 10:01:53 AM
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Gentlemen, thanks for your inputs.
Ken - The arm on my "2" truck does not look like yours, I think it is the square peg/'c' spring type. The Kadee work was a bit heath robinsonwhich is one of the reasons I am looking at reversing, but it may have butchered the old structure too much. I will flick a couple of images up tonight to clarify what I have. How does one 'Insert Image" in a post [whats the sequence of actions??}
Thank you
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Posted - September 09 2008 : 8:04:44 PM
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I now have some pictures, which I suspect will confirm what prior posters have said & that I am probably looking at complete truck sets [do they come with coupler]??
Here would be the Rivarossi & Kadee couplers from underneath & the pair side by side from the top - except I can't figure out how to insert the images into the message like Ken did. Copy & paste? Doesn't want to paste
Help wld be appreciated & thank you Ken for your kind offer earlier re spare couplers.
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Posted - September 09 2008 : 8:19:05 PM
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I'll tell ya how to upload pictures, it's quite simple:
First you'll want to sign up for Photobucket. It's free and quite fast to register.
Then upload the pictures you want to use onto Photobucket.
Once you've done that, each picture will be assigned with four unique codes, each for different applications. (E-mail, HTML, etc.)
What you'll want to do is copy the "IMG Code", and then paste the code in your message here on the forum.
If all goes well, voila! Your picture is part of the message.
    
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Posted - September 09 2008 : 10:24:20 PM
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[quote]I'll tell ya how to upload pictures, it's quite simple:
Thanks MM 1498. Lets see if this works
Ok, if one refers to my previous post then the photos make sense. In summary- am I looking at new trucks with the Rivarossi couplers because of the way the Kadees have been fited?
Thanks
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Posted - September 09 2008 : 10:49:24 PM
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If you could get all the KD mounting off without damage, you should be able to use the newer style coupler by putting a round post on the old trucks for the newer style coupler to pivot on.
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Posted - September 09 2008 : 11:15:19 PM
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I wonder if they were converted to Kadee's, simply because the original spring retention clip broke? It appears there was really no "need" to break it in order to convert them as shown. That said, you're best off replacing the entire truck. But the Kadee conversion does not look like that bad a job.
Oh, and you didn't say why you want to go back to Rivarossi couplers? If it's an original/OEM appearance you're after then yeah, you'll need to replace the tuck.
But if you're considering going to the newer-style adapted horn-hook couplers Riv/Hornby uses today... it sounds like you simply want to use horn-hook couplers... so not put some in the Kadee box? The standard Athearn/walthers/roundhouse horn-hooks will drop right in!
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Posted - September 10 2008 : 04:39:49 AM
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put the converted coupler on one end. Use an interchange car, also.
One X2F coupler on one end (i.e. horn-hooks) and knuckle on the other (i.e. Kadee or McHenry)
I avoided converting all my rolling stock. I have locomotives that have the X2F couplers almost permanently body mounted. So, it pulls my horn-hooked cars.
For the other conversion cars (i.e. Cabooses & Locomotives) repeat this creation. Don't limit your rolling stock capabilities by painstakingly converting all of them.
Cabooses and those locomotives, X2F's and Knuckle couplers on each/opposite ends.
I know, a "run-on" sentence.
John
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Posted - September 10 2008 : 10:43:30 AM
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[quote]put the converted coupler on one end. Use an interchange car, also.
Lot of good stuff in this & preceeding posts - thanks.
Reason I want to change back is that 2 of the 3 cars in the road that has the Kadee's have damage to the Kadees. Also, I would like to hook them into a consist with other cars at some stage & the others all have the Rivarossi coupler.
Which raises, for me, another matter I have wondered about - one sees in the old real world operations consists of say box cars with mixed roads in there as wagons were spread over the networks.
Did passenger roads ever run a mix of road name consists or was that just 'not done'. ??
I imagine that with the plethora of takeovers in the industry ( looking 1900 to say 1960) that some roads would have acquired carriages from other roads. Did they make up & operate mixed passenger consists??
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