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 Posted - August 06 2008 : 12:44:48 AM
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Hello Again,
This past Saturday I purchased a Blue/Yellow Santa Fe C430.
After checking Tony's Tyco Resource I foung a photo of the same loco as mine.
My question is,did this unit come with handrails?
The seller I bought it from has two available,one with rails,and one without.
I bought the one with the handrails because it was in better condition,and wanted to know if is's original.
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Carl T.
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Posted - August 06 2008 : 06:46:32 AM
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Carl,
Yes, your "Blue Bonnet" SF 4301 Alco is probably original if it has the handrails applied imo. I don't think metal handrails were applied at the factory but some owner did. I bought one from ebay that way and one without rails. There are 2 examples of Alcos on the bay now that show them with rails, a VRG "big stripes" and an RI from the same era.
I'm pretty sure at some point Tyco stopped sending handrails with some Alcos and even some catalog photos and box art lack rails.
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Posted - August 06 2008 : 09:11:14 AM
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All the other Tyco road-switcher diesels were converted to plastic handrails by the late 70's... but the 430 never received this change. Best I can tell, old stock of metal handrails was used until sometime in the mid-80's. I bought a new-in-box Virginian 430, in the "dark" 1982+ brown box, that still included handrails. The blue Santa Fe 430 was made for 1982... so it also probably included them.
Somehow I don't think many train-set units of the era included handrails though.
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Posted - August 06 2008 : 09:36:27 AM
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Thanks for the info Guys,
This SF Bluebonnet brings my Alco roster to 13 different units,and counting.
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Posted - August 09 2008 : 11:01:44 AM
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Here's an auction photo example of box art with no handrails on the loco. 
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Posted - August 09 2008 : 11:03:41 AM
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| but loco in box does have them ken
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Posted - August 09 2008 : 1:03:25 PM
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Ken ,
That's a Mehano Tyco and the handrails are a molded on part of the chassis. The box art is a GP20 and the loco in the box is an C430. Interesting all the way around huh.
I couldn't find this pic for the 8/6/08 post on this topic.
Hypoponera has gotten me interested in the IHC/Mehano C430s.
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Posted - August 09 2008 : 1:09:22 PM
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| hi Alco Fan,i have a few run well and are good pullers,only let down in my mind by fragile handrails,ken
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Posted - August 09 2008 : 5:03:21 PM
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Ken,
The one I have has broken handrails that I tried to repair and disguise as original.
Is someone still making them and are they improved a bit power wise?
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Posted - August 09 2008 : 5:32:03 PM
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I wonder if any of them actually say Tyco on the bottom?. That would be neat!
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Posted - August 09 2008 : 5:34:38 PM
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hi alcofan,they have improved,do not hear many complaints over here and they go for a song,1st link is the 628 2nd is the 430,will find you a diagram ken
http://www.mehano.si/?PID=21&CID=39&ID=326
http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php4?prod_selected=mehano&prod=25
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Posted - August 09 2008 : 6:13:04 PM
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typical modern mehano layout ken
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Posted - August 09 2008 : 6:58:02 PM
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Ken,
They've "come a long way baby", as the old commercial used to say.
The diagram is more complicated than I imagined.
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