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 Posted - October 15 2006 : 10:30:20 PM
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Hi guys,
Today at a local train show I seen a NH C430 for $15.00 in excellent condition, no box.
I passed on it but I think I should have bought it.
Whaddya think? Was this a good price?
Carl T.
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Posted - October 15 2006 : 11:09:45 PM
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Carl:
Why am I never at the train shows where Tyco NH 430s in excellent shape go gegging for $15?
Yeah, my friend, you shoulda bought it, and laughed in silent glee all the way home. The NH 430, which followed the never-produced GBW 430 that appeared in the 430s first catalog appearance (1966), didn't last too long either, appearing as "T235B", disappearing with the end of the red box era. It was also one of the few 430s offered as a separate kit (K235B). Pretty cool "modified McGinnis" NH paint job, eh?
The engine had one set appearance as well: T6706B (1967).
The non-production of the GreenBayWestern 430 has been the subject of some speculation by collectors, some of whom believe the appearance of Varney's Green Bay and Western DL-701 (later Life Like) in '65 prompted Tyco to drop the livery in favor of the tried and true CBQ China Red livery which had been such a resounding success for them in its GP-20 incarnation.
In any event, the original roster as produced was:
T235A: CBQ
T235B: NH
T235C: SF Warbonnet
Good hunting, Carl! Where there's one, there are bound to be more.
MagAc
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Posted - October 16 2006 : 03:16:07 AM
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This is why they should have trainshows every day so we can go back for the stuff we snoozed on.
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Posted - October 16 2006 : 11:33:37 AM
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| Let me know when you come out to New Mexico. We have a monthly train show here. I buy old powered Athearns for $10.00! Tyco and AHM powered locos are going for $5-10.00 each. I even got a Riv. U25C in perfect condition for $10.00. Athearn freight cars go for $3.00 a pop. I increase my loco collection by 3 or 4 Athearns a month!
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Posted - October 16 2006 : 8:17:38 PM
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Hypoponera:
Well, Mike, at 5-10 American cartwheels apiece for old Mantua/Tyco Carl and I are going to send you a want list so you can fill up the vintage tinplate shopping basket.
MA
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Posted - October 17 2006 : 12:38:38 AM
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MagAc,
Let me know what you are looking for! I will keep an eye open for you guys. I may not go to the show this month, but should be there in Nov. I need to find another Athearn Train Master. I had so much fun choping one into a Baby Train Master that I thought I would try another!
Unfortunately, while cheap, the old Tyco/Mantua stuff is not available in great amounts. There is always some, just not as much as I would hope for. Also, as long as you want diesels I can help. I have no clue about steam locos though.
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Posted - October 17 2006 : 11:21:56 AM
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Hypoponera:
That is most generous on your part, my friend. I like the Athearn FMs myself; excellent and reliable old models. Just out of curiousity, how do you feel about the Spectrum Baby Trainmasters? I've been tempted to buy one on-line (they sometimes go pretty cheap) but just keep falling back on my old Red Ball baby TMs (super runners.)
From my perspective, it would be a long shopping list. Any Little Trains, blue or red box era in box with inserts is something I always buy.
MagAc
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Posted - October 17 2006 : 5:48:30 PM
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| I like the Bachmann "Baby Train Master" Everything but the name that is. The real Baby is a 6 axle loco, the H16-66. The Bachmann is The H16-44. I have 2 of the Spectrum models and 1 of the newer standard locos. All 3 are great! I highly recommend them.
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Posted - October 17 2006 : 6:04:41 PM
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Hypoponera:
Righto on the nomenclature. I know only too well the little factoids of Fairbanks Morse. Two uncles worked in Main Assembly in Beloit, WI, where one of my brothers still lives. It is pretty sad to see the shell of the once-gigantic FM erecting shop and the rest of the FM fragments.
What has become of American engineering and manufacturing innovation and will?
I read a letter to the editor in Classic Trains a couple years back responding to news of some supposed nascent ground-up steam production plans in the U.S. The letter writer asserted with vigor and authority than no facility remained in the western hemisphere (and perhaps the rest of the world with the possible exception of Red China) capable of manufacturing large single-unit castings necessary to "recreate" steam engine frames routinely manufactured by the likes of Baldwin, Lima and Co.
Geez, now I'm depressed.
MagAc
Glad you recommend the Spectrum FMs, though. Guess I'll give one a try!
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Posted - October 17 2006 : 7:11:44 PM
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Last I knew, the only places that could cast very large one piece steel castings was the Army's tank plant, and Watervliet Arsenal in New York.
The won't do one-off specialty work (unless you have a national budget to spend...)
Another issue was the manpower to build a locomotive. Couldn't get enough knowledgeable steam guys (who built 'em from scratch) together anymore.
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Posted - October 17 2006 : 7:30:20 PM
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...just seems to be symptomatic of a larger and more general national malaise. I microwaved some "MovieTime" brand popcorn the other day and almost spit-up my snack when I read the "country of origin" label:
MADE IN CHINA. Friggin popcorn? What has become of the once-great USA? I watched in bewilderment as old midwestern toy companies like Mounds (Tonka) and Nylint and Structo allowed their patterns, tooling and machines to be palletized and shipped to Red China. I was even more amazed when neighbors in Milwaukee reported Briggs/Stratton, even Harley Davidson doing the same thing. (My H/D boots are made in Red China, no doubt by ragged and starving political prisoners who dared protest pro-democracy in Tiennaman Square all those years ago.)
Crap; now I'm depressed again...
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