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 Posted - December 14 2007 : 11:48:47 PM
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Hey guys:
A couple of questions for anyone.
1) how late could an active Warbonnet appear on the Sf in the style of, as we see on a Tyco "F7"?
2) When did Hi-Cube boxcars come into use 40, 50 whatever feet?
Thanks all.
-Gareth
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Posted - December 15 2007 : 08:42:45 AM
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Howdy
Real or models...Amtrak started in '71...so it couldn't be much longer after that....as far as models go...who knows?....I bet at least one of you guys do!!!
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Posted - December 16 2007 : 12:35:24 AM
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1) The Santa Fe used the warbonnet right up until the merger with BN in (1995?).
The passenger (red/silver) was retired for a stint from the late 70's through the 80's, but reappeared on new power in the early 90's.
The blue/yellow Freight warbonnet was used from the early 70's through the BN merger.
2) The first high-cubes were among the biggest, 89+ feet. They were introduced in the early-mid 60's.... the Wabash even managed to own a few before they were merged in 1964.
Most were built without roofwalks, and in fact it was the High-Cube cars that led to the abolishment of roofwalks altogether. Tunnel clearance was already an issue without the added concern of brakemen getting caught up top...
90- and 60- HCs were the first, with 50's coming shortly after, then the limited batches of 40's.
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Posted - December 16 2007 : 02:07:39 AM
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Hey GIC:
So a 50' H-C in the mid-70's on an eastern road is not overstretching credulity!?
-G
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Posted - December 17 2007 : 04:45:06 AM
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A great book that WM K. Walthers came out with "America's Driving Force" Modeling railroads And The Automotive Industry... cir 1998 ISBN 0-941952-57-6
"1963: Greenville Steel Car and Pullman-Standard deliver first 60-foot auto parts box cars based on Ford specifications."
"1963: FORD begins testing American Car & Foundry's experimental 85-foot "hi-cube" auto parts box car."
"1965: Pullman Standard and Thrall Mfg begin major production of 86-foot hi-cube box cars which feature rack or "basket-loading.""
And, ohhh... the tons of goodies there-in this jewel of a book!
John
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Posted - December 17 2007 : 06:34:57 AM
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As Zebrails mentioned, the America's Driving Force is a great book and high recommened. Believe it is out of print now, but I do know of one copy at my local hobby shop...
http://docscaboose-online.stores.yahoo.net/amdrfo.html
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Posted - December 17 2007 : 06:37:01 AM
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Believe the Santa Fe red and silver warbonnet F-units would be gone by the mid-'70s.
Santa Fe rebuilt their F-unit fleet in Cleburne Texas into CF7's.
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Posted - December 24 2007 : 12:02:22 AM
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quote:As Zebrails mentioned, the America's Driving Force is a great book and high recommened. Believe it is out of print now, but I do know of one copy at my local hobby shop...
http://docscaboose-online.stores.yahoo.net/amdrfo.html
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Originally posted by Tony Cook - December 17 2007 : 10:34:57 AM
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Uh, HEY... My book cover has two Santa Fe GP-20's... Not the Burlington Northern ones! Same Mustang!
Well, go figure that one out...
CopyRighted 1998... isn't that just before BN & SF merged?
Ohhh... the speculation of mysteries...
uh oh... I bought mine in Kamloops, BC Canada last year on Boxing Day for... $15! minus 20% discount... ohhhhh
John
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Edited by - zebrails on December 24 2007 12:08:42 AM
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Posted - December 24 2007 : 09:58:00 AM
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| A fifty foot high cube boxcar would be most appropriate in the 1970's! The traditional 40 foot boxcars were starting to be removed from general circulation.
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