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I got the f9 pair, powered and dummy
why is the dummy weighted?
the powered has a stripped axle gear, what's the best option, keep the rest as parts and grab another f9 or are axles a thing that can be gotten, anything special about them?
I also need to get some track joiners and car couplers (let me play with the stock tyco ones first, then preach kadee later), anything to look for or avoid(aside from stock tyco couplers, see previous parenthesis)
online or hobby shop? I'd prefer online until a vaccine is out
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online or hobby shop? I'd prefer online until a vaccine is out
Originally posted by tater1337 - October 19 2020 : 10:25:31 PM
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sadly, no
I have some nasal issues, which makes me one of those "high risk" types, and I live alone, so if i get sick too fast, the landlord is gonna have a surprise a few months after
or didja mean a vaccine for hobby addiction?
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Posted - October 19 2020 : 11:45:04 PM
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The dummy is weighted, or extra weighted by its former owner, to keep
it from falling off the track, particularly through curves and switches, when
the lateral forces pull hardest upon the flanges.
Personally, I dislike Kadees intensely. Saying that is near enough to get
me burned at the stake, and the latest in Kadee is a scaled down coupler,
which is tiny, and magnetic air hoses that join when in coupled position.
The reason I dislike Kadees is that A. people preach them to me. B. They
become an ongoing project that requires constant maintenance. C. The microscopic spring get loose and fly everywhere. D. McHenry's, the cheaper alternative, are known to be unreliable junk.
Here is a little video of my good friend, and a guy who preaches Kadees
at me until I am ready to sock him:
https://youtu.be/KXWmNmqAzqU
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Oh, BTW, we'd love to see photos of anything or everything you get/got.
We love this old junk!!!
Stripped axle gear? Unless it was specifically sold as a junker, I'd demand
my money back. Fixing it is either an interesting project for a guy like
Blax, or a headache for someone like me.
As my fleet ages, I am having more issues with cooked brushes on all
the brands I use. If you want to go full on vintage, you need to buy
New Old Stock, which is increasingly harder to find, but still out there,
new stuff that appeals to you (I like the new, I mean recent, Life LIke
stuff as it has a simpler look of Tyco, but great running and durability)
or be ready to do some fix and repair, which you successfully did with that
Playcraft.
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Posted - October 20 2020 : 12:52:29 AM
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quote:sadly, no
I have some nasal issues, which makes me one of those "high risk" types, and I live alone, so if i get sick too fast, the landlord is gonna have a surprise a few months after
or didja mean a vaccine for hobby addiction?
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Posted - October 20 2020 : 02:47:00 AM
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Tater, here is a pair of split gears, the gear on the upper right, if you look close, has a crack in the
barrel, which then allows it to slip freely upon the axle with the worms on it. Trying to seal the crack
and get to stick to the axle is impossible, partly because the gear is compressed onto the axle, and
that energy is now released with the crack, and the metal is too slippery to bind with any adhesive. Now,
RP says he gets away by buffing the metal axle, I've not had luck with that, but in theory that could
work. Maybe if the axle was filed so that it created a shelf, that could bind. RP, did you want to weigh in on this?
Junk or scrap, how much do you like to fiddle with things is the question. I was able to take two
undamaged wormed axles and swap them out to make one working unit.  
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Posted - October 20 2020 : 09:19:01 AM
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Honestly, I really don't try to do any gear work on my locomotives, and in the event of a Tyco PowerTorque gear popping off, I just liquid-cement it back on, which has worked on several occasions. Not entirely sure how fool-proof it is though.
I also am a fan of horn-hook couplers, and hate Kadee's. I get that Kadee's are more realistic, but I just love the retro look of horn-hooks. 
Returning to the subject of gears, different manufacturers had different gear problems, such as Tyco with the notorious PowerTorque pinion gear slip issues. Others say old Bachmanns have problems with split gears, yet I own several vintage Bachmann diesels, and so far the gears haven't let me down.
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Posted - October 20 2020 : 11:54:46 AM
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Chops, off topic a bit, try hunting for some metal tubing that fits snugly over the cracked gear. I have seen it done before.
Of course, I can't find the pictures I had seen now, but I'll search a bit more later.
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Posted - October 20 2020 : 12:24:35 PM
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Blax, the shaft on those gears above couldn't be more than a 2 mm. I cannot
imagine what you describe, but then you do some of the most remarkable work around here. I am thinking maybe if I was to take a file and file a
step on the metal axle that could do it, with some JB Weld.
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Posted - October 20 2020 : 1:05:50 PM
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I know, they're pretty dang tiny. 
I'm now noticing there isnt a whole lot of free area where you could put the tubing, no matter how thin. Try the JB weld I guess.
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Posted - October 20 2020 : 2:14:49 PM
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quote:Oh, BTW, we'd love to see photos of anything or everything you get/got.
We love this old junk!!!
Stripped axle gear? Unless it was specifically sold as a junker, I'd demand
my money back. Fixing it is either an interesting project for a guy like
Blax, or a headache for someone like me.
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ebay, and I am not going to argue with seller, it *does* run, but only drives one axle. and I got (more than) what I paid for
and I don't mind tinkering
also, replies on here *look* like you think I am talking about a worm driveshaft. I am talking about the axle
pics as you requested
nothing is nailed down, glued or even leveled
dummy engine, bonus cars "parked" dummy engine is waaay to heavy, I'll need to modify
axle pics(right axle is bad, maybe both 2nd pic shows worm axle, might be bad too or poor tolerances)
I DID **NOT** USE STEEL WOOL, IT CAME THAT WAY
and chuggy boi doing stuff a chuggy boi shouldn't. derailing caused by mismatched coupler heights and loose track and unbalanced wheels(stuff I'll attend to after I get a more solid setup)
https://youtu.be/R9v5BGJGts0
coupler height comparison(less than half of the coupler grips, so any wobble disconnects, see unbalanced wheels note above)
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| Play art couplers are trash. Replace with a spare horn hook. Notice how it doesn't have that post the other coupler does.
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Posted - October 20 2020 : 11:49:32 PM
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quote:Play art couplers are trash. Replace with a spare horn hook. Notice how it doesn't have that post the other coupler does.
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was broke off, swapped it with the front one, a little better, had it running continuous for 15+ minutes
then the track started slipping apart
which is good, I need to tear that all down and build up something more substantial, this keeps me from playing with it
wow, couplers are expensive, I just put a bid on a a lot of cars because scavenging couplers from them will be cheaper, even with shipping(ok, the cars are cheap!)
tempted to make a mold and get me a small injection mold kit, steadycraftin on youtube uses one occasionally
or cast in resin and futz up a spring
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Posted - October 21 2020 : 12:32:06 AM
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Wonderful to see the new layout after so many years gone by!
That looks to be the good Tyco MU motor. RP, would I be right
to suggest a Good blasting with electronic cleaner and a dab of lube at the bearings? Or do you think it’s too far gone?
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Well, that is a Playcraft locomotive, not Tyco, but it does have a very similar motor. Yeah, some cleaning to remove those filing-looking pieces would be best first, and then possibly cleaning the commutator with an x-acto to improve contact next, and lastly reassembly with some lube on the gears.
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quote:Well, that is a Playcraft locomotive, not Tyco...
Originally posted by RP model railroads - October 21 2020 : 9:53:41 PM
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are you sure it's not a tyco? (the F9, not chuggy boi)
it really looks like a MU motor, except
bottom is plastic not metal like some MU.
bottom is held in with 2 screws and side clips
front wheel assy has made by tyco - in hong kong
weight in dummy engine is definitely wrong, so heavy it causes excess friction on the wheels, and is identical to the weight on the powered engine.
weight screwed in with a bright brass WOOD screw, not black metal screw like powered engine
and the peg for the screw is broke
and weight is actually being held in by glue
which makes me thing that maybe the power unit is not tyco, but it matches so well
cleaning will help, but only after I get a new axle and gear, look again and you'll see the one is worn down and freewheels when assembled
oh, tyco part number 25125 from hoseekers parts list scans, but already got other F9's on my ebay watchlist to see if I can get one working one (bet the next one I get works flawlessly)
probably need to get a worm too, as that one looks rounded
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Posted - October 22 2020 : 12:56:59 AM
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Thanks for the photos. I am thinking I might have such an
axle in my junk box. If you want it Just PM me you address and I’ll send it out by week’s end- if I have it, it may be wrong have to give it a good look and let you know.
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Thanks chops, look hard, that's a helical gear, I've seen others almsot like it that were not
Like I said, already got bids on a whole replacement engine, for less what others are trying to sell the driver units for <shrugs>
still fighting off the urge to just buy that $90 centennial steam engine instead of waiting for another reasonable priced one on auction
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oh, followup from the first message in this post
I just won an auction for 14 cars for $5 more than what people are selling 24 car couplers for
went and ordered rail joiners too, since I have now run out and am in the middle of my layout
so I am good on those, just the steam engine and a working f9 are on my nostalgia list
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Neato! Nostalgia is why so many of us do this, but one of the most serious collectors is RP who is the owner/operator of Retro Tyco. He wasn’t around when Tyco was still sold at Woolworth’s, but he’s made his mark. Then we got two high school guys doing astonishing pushing the envelope of creativity. Then there is Top Train who has a breathtaking collection of early RTR HO. Walt, too, is a major league player, reconstructing a lot of childhood memories.And of course, Microbuss, that collects everything.
Fooling around with Tyco gives me a chance to create, and three kids, on a college grad (“too wealthy” for college aid) have left me in poor house, and Tyco, at least was, fairly cheap, compared to a lot of things.
I knew couple of heavy duty rivet counters, who still maintain a stash of Tyco, as that is how they got started.
We’d love to see you loot, when it comes in!
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| And then there's me, somewhere in between rivet counter and trains with faces level realism
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quote:
Tater, here is a pair of split gears, the gear on the upper right, if you look close, has a crack in the
barrel, which then allows it to slip freely upon the axle with the worms on it. Trying to seal the crack
and get to stick to the axle is impossible, partly because the gear is compressed onto the axle, and
that energy is now released with the crack, and the metal is too slippery to bind with any adhesive. Now,
RP says he gets away by buffing the metal axle, I've not had luck with that, but in theory that could
work. Maybe if the axle was filed so that it created a shelf, that could bind. RP, did you want to weigh in on this?
Junk or scrap, how much do you like to fiddle with things is the question. I was able to take two
undamaged wormed axles and swap them out to make one working unit.
Originally posted by Chops124 - October 20 2020 : 02:47:00 AM
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This part is reasonably easy to just make a new one:
On the left is the original part. On the right is one pieced together from pieces of plastic sprue.
The nubs are pieces of thin sprue glued in holes in a larger diameter piece of sprue. A hole is drilled up the middle of the large sprue for the worm shaft. I have used this and it has held together.
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quote:And then there's me, somewhere in between rivet counter and trains with faces level realism
Originally posted by BlaxlandAlex3 - October 22 2020 : 09:57:08 AM
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one day I am gonna mess with the rivet counters
either by
taking a accurate model and shaving all the rivets off
or shave all the rivets off, and put in a line of new rivets, with the rivet line being off by, say, 3 degrees
take the actual prototype, with tons of pictures, and move a models rivets so they match exactly, including the ones that the original builders screwed up (and all the snotty, patchy weldmarks, and places where seams don't line up)
I mean this one's just an utter mess when you get real up close
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Posted - October 22 2020 : 10:42:15 AM
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that would be hilarious!
compared to the rest of the model railroader community, I'm no rivet counter. Compared to you all, I'm considered a rivet counter I use kadees, love detailing and getting everything perfect!
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Posted - October 22 2020 : 7:54:26 PM
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quote:one day I am gonna mess with the rivet counters
Originally posted by tater1337 - October 22 2020 : 10:32:11 AM
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Monticello Railway Museum has a magnet shaped like a rivet head and they put it in various implausible places on the tender of Southern Railway Locomotive 401.
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quote: quote:one day I am gonna mess with the rivet counters
Originally posted by tater1337 - October 22 2020 : 10:32:11 AM
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Monticello Railway Museum has a magnet shaped like a rivet head and they put it in various implausible places on the tender of Southern Railway Locomotive 401.
Originally posted by scsshaggy - October 22 2020 : 7:54:26 PM
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thats really funny
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quote:that would be hilarious!
compared to the rest of the model railroader community, I'm no rivet counter. Compared to you all, I'm considered a rivet counter I use kadees, love detailing and getting everything perfect!
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yeah compared to me you're quite the rivet counter I do use some kadees though
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Posted - October 22 2020 : 9:56:37 PM
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quote:that would be hilarious!
compared to the rest of the model railroader community, I'm no rivet counter. Compared to you all, I'm considered a rivet counter I use kadees, love detailing and getting everything perfect!
Originally posted by BlaxlandAlex3 - October 22 2020 : 10:42:15 AM
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I'm only a rivet counter (or spot weld) on old original restored cars. I love to see the undercarriage spotless in correct factory detail with correct paint markings...
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Yep, that is a Tyco F9 - clearly I was thinking about the wrong loco. And, I'm glad to hear that you already got answers as to how to restore it.
As far as rivet counters go, I am their worst nightmare, as I hate Kadee's, love Tyco PowerTorques, and all other kinds of vintage HO-Scale. My RETRO TYCO layout (really RETRO TYCO II) was born after watching videos of Lionel themed layouts, and then asking myself why someone hadn't made a layout strictly devoted to Tyco Trains. Since then, I have collected almost all of Tyco's operating accessories, almost every variety of 50' box car, and preserved extremely rare finds such as the Northern Pacific Shark and 2 possible pre-pod locomotives - in my quest to collect everything Tyco.
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That is an interesting repair job on the round house universal gear. I’ll need to remember that. I think I might try Blax’s
tube over method first, see if I can make a decent sleeve from a bit of brass tubing. It could be over by a mm or two.
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quote:That is an interesting repair job on the round house universal gear. I’ll need to remember that. I think I might try Blax’s
tube over method first, see if I can make a decent sleeve from a bit of brass tubing. It could be over by a mm or two.
Originally posted by Chops124 - October 23 2020 : 9:46:47 PM
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if you ever get a spare for it, let me know, I got some casting technologies I wanna try out, if they work you can have all the bits you can send me
in fact if ANYONE needs some spare small bits, let me know, I wanna start blueprinting some of the harder to find parts so I can either 3d print parts or 3d print blanks so I can make molds for either injection molding or reinforced resin. I might even be able to reproduce parts from photos (done it before, but not at something as small as HO scale)
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quote:Yep, that is a Tyco F9 - clearly I was thinking about the wrong loco. And, I'm glad to hear that you already got answers as to how to restore it.
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one variant of, I am learning about it, and grabbing cheap units off ebay so I can compare, and build up spare parts stock
quote:
Since then, I have collected almost all of Tyco's operating accessories, - in my quest to collect everything Tyco.
Originally posted by RP model railroads - October 23 2020 : 9:39:38 PM
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I might be interested in some of the accessories, mainly looking for photos with some scale so I can make prints, I really like the idea of the remote control gadgets, and plan on taking some of the manual ones and motorizing them
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