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 Posted - February 09 2015 : 5:32:50 PM
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I started a white metal kit today at work during break and lunch time. It's an English double deck trolley or tram as they say. Once I get them (I have 2 kits actually) built, I think I'll do a micro-layout to run them on. Here's the start of the West Ham tram.
~ Dave
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Posted - February 09 2015 : 6:18:26 PM
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 Honestly, I've never heard of these guys. Is that manufacturer still around?
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Posted - February 09 2015 : 7:17:30 PM
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Cool double-decker! I've seen some smaller scale ones by Matchbox, non-powered, but I wasn't aware that there was a near-HO kit for one. I'm seriously into the trolley world this year, I bought some E & H trolley pieces from two auctions, I may can make about 4-5 trolleys out of the parts, although I will need chassis's for them. Anyway, keep us updated on this kit as it goes together, looks interesting! 
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Posted - February 09 2015 : 7:34:22 PM
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quote: Honestly, I've never heard of these guys. Is that manufacturer still around?
Originally posted by kovacste000Â -Â February 09 2015Â :Â 6:18:26 PM
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I think they're now BEC and unfortunately I don't know much about them. I bought this and another kit on this side of the pond. Ken might know something about them.
http://www.bec-kits.co.uk/
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Posted - February 09 2015 : 7:43:32 PM
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quote:Cool double-decker! I've seen some smaller scale ones by Matchbox, non-powered, but I wasn't aware that there was a near-HO kit for one. I'm seriously into the trolley world this year, I bought some E & H trolley pieces from two auctions, I may can make about 4-5 trolleys out of the parts, although I will need chassis's for them. Anyway, keep us updated on this kit as it goes together, looks interesting!
Jerry in VA, USA
Originally posted by AMC_Gremlin_GTÂ -Â February 09 2015Â :Â 7:17:30 PM
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Yeah, I've been admiring your trolley fleet for some time now and I've added a few that you have to my want list ... I need them like a hole in the head, but what the heck .. ya only go round this crazy ol' world once, right? I want a Tyco/Mantua and that similar looking one that you have with the nice roof detail.
I should be able to post near daily, so long as I get to it at least once during the day. The plan is to make the cuts and file off the flashing at work. By the time I finish all of the prep work, it should be warmer around here and I can paint and do the final assembly.
Here's the other kit I bought. It had suffered damage during to the motor and white metal parts during shipping. I'm waiting for a warmer weekend to combine some paint stripping projects with this one, and then I can make the repairs. I hate to remove the other builder's paint, but I have doubts about being able to match his paint colors after I make the body repairs.
~ Dave
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Posted - February 09 2015 : 8:00:41 PM
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Definitely PDC (pretty darn cool). Looking forward to seeing the
finished product. How does one affix all those metal parts, do
you use glue or solder? Looks like a lot of work, best of luck.
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Posted - February 09 2015 : 8:24:22 PM
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quote:Definitely PDC (pretty darn cool). Looking forward to seeing the
finished product. How does one affix all those metal parts, do
you use glue or solder? Looks like a lot of work, best of luck.
Originally posted by Chops124Â -Â February 09 2015Â :Â 8:00:41 PM
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I haven't decided exactly how I'm going to affix all the parts and I'm not sure if solder will stick to the white metal. I'll have to do a test joint and see how it goes.
The kit in the 2nd photo is pretty old and clearly came apart due to adhesive failure. I don't want that to happen again, so for certain portions I'll probably use JB Weld to make the bodies of both kits more like a 1 piece casting. One thing that I don't want to do is prevent future access to the mechanicals and the assembly instructions appear to limit access once the kit is assembled. I may have to do some mods for the sake of future maintenance.
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Posted - February 10 2015 : 10:41:15 AM
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british and european tram kits are still available here in uk ken
http://www.bec-kits.co.uk/
http://www.bec-kits.co.uk/tramsho.htm
http://www.bec-kits.co.uk/trucksho.htm
even bachmann make motorized trams
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Posted - February 10 2015 : 4:42:31 PM
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That must be the company that made this double decker trolley I picked up at a train show a few years ago as a curiosity for a few bucks. It's made of a very soft alloy, and needed some straightening. I had to add the pickup wiper.
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Posted - February 10 2015 : 5:35:46 PM
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quote:
That's exactly who made my kit. I found the reference on the instructions. I'll try to remember to scan them and post. I figured Ken would have a handle on these cool trams.
Here's today's progress. Not much to show, since I had only 1 break today. Just a test fit. There's more filing & fitting to be done. Tomorrow I might be able to test fit the motor.
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Posted - February 10 2015 : 5:53:58 PM
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| There are some cool looking models in here! RDC1, I'll be following along on your build. I'm looking forward to seeing how they turn out.
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Posted - February 10 2015 : 6:09:53 PM
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moar trams!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Anglia_Transport_Museum
This one has some trams but mostly steam, eletric & diesel on display
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Transport_Museum
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Posted - February 10 2015 : 7:31:21 PM
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quote:That must be the company that made this double decker trolley I picked up at a train show a few years ago as a curiosity for a few bucks. It's made of a very soft alloy, and needed some straightening. I had to add the pickup wiper.
Originally posted by NickelPlate759Â -Â February 10 2015Â :Â 4:42:31 PM
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You're right about that soft metal. VERY soft. I like the looks of the motor in yours better than mine .. Mine just does not look or feel very substantial. It should run OK though. It looks to be geared pretty low and there isn't much to pull.
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Posted - February 10 2015 : 8:31:45 PM
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quote:Cool double-decker! I've seen some smaller scale ones by Matchbox, non-powered, but I wasn't aware that there was a near-HO kit for one. I'm seriously into the trolley world this year, I bought some E & H trolley pieces from two auctions, I may can make about 4-5 trolleys out of the parts, although I will need chassis's for them. Anyway, keep us updated on this kit as it goes together, looks interesting!
Jerry in VA, USA
Originally posted by AMC_Gremlin_GTÂ -Â February 09 2015Â :Â 7:17:30 PM
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Those Matchbox ones are from their "Models of Yesteryear" line. I found one in a freebie bin minus the roof, took it home as a curiosity, and lo and behold... it fits N gauge track!! Now the truly crazy among us must begin to speculate how to power one... Darth, are you listening? 
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Posted - February 10 2015 : 11:47:27 PM
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quote: quote:Cool double-decker! I've seen some smaller scale ones by Matchbox, non-powered, but I wasn't aware that there was a near-HO kit for one. I'm seriously into the trolley world this year, I bought some E & H trolley pieces from two auctions, I may can make about 4-5 trolleys out of the parts, although I will need chassis's for them. Anyway, keep us updated on this kit as it goes together, looks interesting!
Jerry in VA, USA
Originally posted by AMC_Gremlin_GTÂ -Â February 09 2015Â :Â 7:17:30 PM
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Those Matchbox ones are from their "Models of Yesteryear" line. I found one in a freebie bin minus the roof, took it home as a curiosity, and lo and behold... it fits N gauge track!! Now the truly crazy among us must begin to speculate how to power one... Darth, are you listening?
Originally posted by PRR 4800Â -Â February 10 2015Â :Â 8:31:45 PM
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Seriously!I need one of these things now.
-Steve
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Posted - February 11 2015 : 07:45:58 AM
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quote:
You're right about that soft metal. VERY soft. I like the looks of the motor in yours better than mine .. Mine just does not look or feel very substantial. It should run OK though. It looks to be geared pretty low and there isn't much to pull.
Originally posted by RDC1Â -Â February 10 2015Â :Â 7:31:21 PM
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Yours is more of a self-contained open frame, and may be quieter, especially because it's new. It shouldn't take much to power one of these. Mine is obviously an older design and runs well but has that grind-y PM-1 sound to it.
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Posted - February 11 2015 : 4:12:56 PM
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matchbox y15 tram ho motorised ken
http://www.gordonstrams.net/MCTpage5.htm
matchbox/oxford n gauge
http://www.gordonstrams.net/MCTpage7.htm
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Posted - February 11 2015 : 4:15:22 PM
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quote:
thanks I did wonder how to do that since I has one
only its a blue one & with Swan Soap on it
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Posted - February 11 2015 : 5:05:02 PM
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same applies ben
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Posted - February 11 2015 : 6:12:23 PM
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No new progress today, but here are the instructions from the kit. I think this kit is pretty old judging from the style motor. The newer motors offered by BEC have more of a square frame.
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Posted - February 11 2015 : 6:48:16 PM
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I meant the old one:
Upper right corner - it's N-scale!
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Posted - February 11 2015 : 8:06:47 PM
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Nice! I'd like to have that whole set, 4-4-0 included!
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Posted - February 11 2015 : 8:35:38 PM
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quote:I meant the old one:
Upper right corner - it's N-scale!
Originally posted by PRR 4800Â -Â February 11 2015Â :Â 6:48:16 PM
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I've seen those many times.I've just never picked them up because I thought the wheels were broken or something until very recently. 
-Steve
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Posted - February 11 2015 : 8:56:37 PM
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quote:same applies ben
Originally posted by catfordken - February 11 2015 : 5:05:02 PM
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kool thats the one & it is at or about HO anyway
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