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 Posted - September 12 2014 : 11:28:55 AM
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Is there a way to achieve an better Krauss Maffei? I was thinking of getting a clunker and using the shell and side frames on a different all-wheel drive chassis like an SD45. I found one in N scale on Shape Ways and mates up to an SD45. I imagine the side frames will need major work to work to an different truck.
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Posted - September 12 2014 : 7:38:27 PM
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There's not exactly any good way to turn the single-piece trucks into sideframes. A better plan would be to see if you can figure out how to mount the trucks into a different frame. I've got a Krauss Maffei and an SD45 disassembled in adjacent boxes, I'll go take a look and see what suggestions I can make.
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Posted - September 12 2014 : 7:52:13 PM
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May not be any good way to match up the KM sideframes to an Athearn SD45 truck, but it is doable.
I wonder....I have an undec Bachmann Spectrum/Plus SD45 that needs something to do. Could the Bachmann drivetrain be shoehorned into a KM shell?
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Posted - September 12 2014 : 8:59:01 PM
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What kind of drive is in the KM loco now?
oops.
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Posted - September 12 2014 : 8:59:51 PM
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quote:What kind of drive does a stock KM loco have?
Originally posted by NC shortlines - September 12 2014 : 8:59:01 PM
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Unspoken expectations are premeditated failures.
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Posted - September 12 2014 : 9:23:17 PM
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A single power truck like some RS11's and C Liners. Yucky! I know the side frames would need serious altercations.
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Posted - September 12 2014 : 9:55:16 PM
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BTW....a quick scan of ebay has 2 KM locos, currently $76-$81.
They have acheived "collectable" status  
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Posted - September 12 2014 : 11:50:25 PM
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So, what's wrong with the KM as is? I've run mine a few times, seems to have adequate power. Mind you , I haven't pulled a 70 car unit train behind one, either. But the two I've treid seemed to run around in a circle OK. 
A weird design of this Rivarossi motor is that it's not a 3 pole or 5 pole...its a 4-pole motor. Usually they keep them uneven armature arms, so that it won't get stuck in a position, I guess. I thought it had the AHM / Tempo encased motor, well it IS encased, but not the same design. What's your beef with it, Justin ? Here's a few picture of one of mine, a converted SP unit to almost RG, it has a constant-light circuit installed up front, with two caps and a transistor, so it won't blink on and off I imagine. I will have to try this engine out, because I don't believe I have had the shell off before. Interesting surprise inside.  I may copy this light circuit for future use.
I believe the collectors have driven the prices up, I rarely see them sell for
under 50-60 at my local Virginia / Maryland trian shows, or see any prices lower. Even when I ask if they will sell for less, they always seem to come back with the "they're collectible " mantra Whatever. I've gotten several of mine for 40 or less, due to less than perfect Ebay advertising. Or a vendor at a show that wanted to move them. But they do seem to bring a premium these days.
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Posted - September 13 2014 : 12:12:38 AM
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No beef Jerry! I like to make a better engine out off it. And see what could be done to do so.
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Posted - September 13 2014 : 01:53:07 AM
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It can be done. Here is a video of a modified pair of KM's at the South Bay Historical Railroad Society's model railroad layout:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FATQ91I-ZUk
Hope it provides some inspiration.
EDIT: Here is a video of one using an Athearn U33C:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl6gINsoJK0
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Posted - September 13 2014 : 07:56:31 AM
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quote:
Interesting kitbash. I need some dramamine to watch that video. I think it would have been better to put the camera on a tripod and move the locomotive.
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Posted - September 13 2014 : 09:52:35 AM
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Thanks for the video link!
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Posted - September 13 2014 : 8:34:12 PM
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My brother says, to leave the original Riva. motor. It's more prototypical to the KM, poor running, faltering, rattling, and breaking down.
Looks like a candidate for a dual Rivarossi power truck if you don't go the Athearn route.
http://www.tycoforums.com/tyco/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11338&SearchTerms=c,liner
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Posted - September 13 2014 : 10:55:11 PM
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never mind that
How about the REAL thing!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLvUI8xv8aU
cool yes? 
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Posted - September 15 2014 : 12:35:15 AM
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quote:So, what's wrong with the KM as is? I've run mine a few times, seems to have adequate power. Mind you , I haven't pulled a 70 car unit train behind one, either. But the two I've treid seemed to run around in a circle OK.
A weird design of this Rivarossi motor is that it's not a 3 pole or 5 pole...its a 4-pole motor. Usually they keep them uneven armature arms, so that it won't get stuck in a position, I guess. I thought it had the AHM / Tempo encased motor, well it IS encased, but not the same design. What's your beef with it, Justin ? Here's a few picture of one of mine, a converted SP unit to almost RG, it has a constant-light circuit installed up front, with two caps and a transistor, so it won't blink on and off I imagine. I will have to try this engine out, because I don't believe I have had the shell off before. Interesting surprise inside. I may copy this light circuit for future use.
Originally posted by AMC_Gremlin_GTÂ -Â September 12 2014Â :Â 11:50:25 PM
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Those ball bearing motors do run quite well if they are in good shape and haven't had dirt in the bearings, but they are 3 pole. All of Rivarossi's armatures were 3 pole, excluding much later versions with Igarashi 5 pole motors, which the KM's never saw.
Those are some old paper caps in that unit.
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Posted - September 15 2014 : 09:36:11 AM
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Those ball bearing motors ... are 3 pole. All of Rivarossi's armatures were 3 pole, excluding much later versions with Igarashi 5 pole motors, which the KM's never saw.
Those are some old paper caps in that unit.
Originally posted by NickelPlate759Â -Â September 15 2014Â :Â 12:35:15 AM
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Oops, you're right, I can't count. Sure looked like 4, I had to mark'em as I spun the motor, but there are only 3. My bad.
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Posted - September 18 2014 : 12:18:33 AM
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I've done that too, peering into can motors through their small holes, first thinking I've got a 5 pole when it's a 3. At any rate, if you ever find a 4 pole RR motor I'll pay serious cash for it.
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