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Posted - March 19 2014 : 10:01:54 AM
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Ya, how good are they? I keep seeing them at train shows and am really tempted to pick one up. I almost got this Athearn rubber band drivable coach that didn't work when I put it on the tracks so I didn't buy it. Was that just bad luck or are they all that bad?
-Steve
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Posted - March 19 2014 : 2:20:29 PM
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I'm assuming you're talking about this one...
Once you find a source of drive bands, I think they're great. I use 1/2" rubber bands from Staples myself...smooth running, quiet, with a delightful "boing-oing-oing-oing" back-and-forth motion like a cartoon when I rev it up, then throw the brakes.
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Posted - March 19 2014 : 3:21:14 PM
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They are kind of a pain in the neck having to diassemble the trucks on units (F7's and GP7's being the worst) but they are peppy and reliable. I have 20+ Hustlers, 3 plastic RDC's, 1 GE Rectifier Electric (never assembled mint in box), about 5 F7's and about 6 GP7's with them.
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Posted - March 19 2014 : 4:07:58 PM
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quote:They are kind of a pain in the neck having to diassemble the trucks on units (F7's and GP7's being the worst) but they are peppy and reliable. I have 20+ Hustlers, 3 plastic RDC's, 1 GE Rectifier Electric (never assembled mint in box), about 5 F7's and about 6 GP7's with them.
Larry
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I'm starting to think the reason why that RDC (So that's what they're called!) didn't work. It's probably because either one of the rubber bands fell out or they aren't the right type so they're too heavy for the loco.
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Posted - March 19 2014 : 5:58:17 PM
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Do they work ? yes. are they terrible? yes, be kind to yourself and convert over to an Ernst gear drive
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Posted - March 19 2014 : 6:18:07 PM
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quote:Do they work ? yes. are they terrible? yes, be kind to yourself and convert over to an Ernst gear drive
Originally posted by metalsmith1Â -Â March 19 2014Â :Â 5:58:17 PM
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I just posted this in case I was to pick one up at the train shows because I see them at every one I go to.
-Steve
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Posted - March 19 2014 : 9:08:22 PM
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DON'T DO IT!!!!!! Those Hifi drives are a pain in the a**... I've had to scrape bits of scorched rubber band off of the axles of 2 different hifi F7's...
But if you do get one (and that's the only way you're going to get an RDC for cheap), I happen to have found a packet of NOS spare rubber bands yesterday that I can send ya.
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Posted - March 19 2014 : 9:22:36 PM
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You guys are harsh...without those bubber rand drives Irv put out, there'd be no HO...so there...
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Posted - March 19 2014 : 10:20:35 PM
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quote:You guys are harsh...without those bubber rand drives Irv put out, there'd be no HO...so there...
Originally posted by shaygetz - March 19 2014 : 9:22:36 PM
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Wait, those rubber band drives are the reasons H0 exist as it is?
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Posted - March 20 2014 : 04:32:55 AM
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Sorry guys ... you are right. I was harsh fact is I have an appreciation for the inventiveness for all hobby manufacturers and the contribution that they have made to the hobby that I love. But to be honest, after the rubber bands dissolve on a Hi-F drive, an upgrade to a gear drive is very rewarding.
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Posted - March 20 2014 : 05:10:00 AM
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For the hundredth time, use these.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Goody-Hair-Rubber-Bands-Clear-3-Different-Sizes/12018417
Are youse guys really that afraid of going into the hair care aisle? If you use rubber bands, you'll waste a lot of time scraping rubber goo off the shafts & axles when they melt.
These last forever. I've had these installed for about 5 years with no signs of deterioration. (It also helps to install a massive 24v low RPM motor. )
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They also make wicked traction tires.
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Posted - March 20 2014 : 07:34:02 AM
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quote: Wait, those rubber band drives are the reasons H0 exist as it is?
Originally posted by kovacste000Â -Â March 19 2014Â :Â 10:20:35 PM [/quote]
Irv made it affordable and accessible for the average Joe...up to that point, it was still a technical hobby where people built models from scratch, parts or difficult kits. Can you believe he even tried it on a Pacific...
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Posted - March 20 2014 : 09:41:35 AM
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quote:For the hundredth time, use these.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Goody-Hair-Rubber-Bands-Clear-3-Different-Sizes/12018417
Are youse guys really that afraid of going into the hair care aisle? If you use rubber bands, you'll waste a lot of time scraping rubber goo off the shafts & axles when they melt.
These last forever. I've had these installed for about 5 years with no signs of deterioration. (It also helps to install a massive 24v low RPM motor. )
/tyco/forum/uploaded/NickelPlate759/20140320050149_DSCF1688-1024x625.JPG
They also make wicked traction tires.
Originally posted by NickelPlate759Â -Â March 20 2014Â :Â 05:10:00 AM
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There is a Walmart being built in my hometown so I'll be able to grab those rubber bands there if I ever get a hold of one of those Hi-F drive engines.
-Steve
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Posted - March 20 2014 : 10:07:17 AM
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I love them, the ones I have run great and they are fast as hell!!
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Posted - March 20 2014 : 10:18:41 AM
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quote: quote:You guys are harsh...without those bubber rand drives Irv put out, there'd be no HO...so there...
Originally posted by shaygetz - March 19 2014 : 9:22:36 PM
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Wait, those rubber band drives are the reasons H0 exist as it is?
Originally posted by kovacste000Â -Â March 19 2014Â :Â 10:20:35 PM
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LOL Shay is exaggerating a bit. Irv was making HO by 1948-49 and his first powered kits were all metal RDC's launched about 1953 with a single gear drive mechanism (one power truck per car) with Pittman motors. I have a RDC1 with said drive. The Hi-F drive was introduced in 1957. Larry
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Posted - March 20 2014 : 10:21:19 AM
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Stephen, The Rubber Band Drives make a great starting point for a dummy engine. If it is a B unit it can be draw-bar connected to an A unit and provide extra electrical pickup. It is a excellent way to provide space for a sound system decoder. It can be a dummy lighted unit. All you need to do is remove the drive train and find a way to keep the trucks from falling off. Regards, John ******************
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Posted - March 20 2014 : 10:22:12 AM
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quote: quote: quote:You guys are harsh...without those bubber rand drives Irv put out, there'd be no HO...so there...
Originally posted by shaygetz - March 19 2014 : 9:22:36 PM
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Wait, those rubber band drives are the reasons H0 exist as it is?
Originally posted by kovacste000Â -Â March 19 2014Â :Â 10:20:35 PM
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LOL Shay is exaggerating a bit. Irv was making HO by 1948-49 and his first powered kits were all metal RDC's launched about 1953 with a single gear drive mechanism (one power truck per car) with Pittman motors. I have a RDC1 with said drive. The Hi-F drive was introduced in 1957. Larry
Originally posted by SOU2645Â -Â March 20 2014Â :Â 10:18:41 AM
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Exaggerate!!!! Never....overstate maybe, but never exaggerate....
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Posted - March 20 2014 : 10:24:59 AM
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LOL Shay. thats true of all modelers and railfans usually. and they exaggerate too. LOL
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Posted - March 20 2014 : 11:25:19 AM
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quote:LOL Shay. thats true of all modelers and railfans usually. and they exaggerate too. LOL
Larry
Originally posted by SOU2645Â -Â March 20 2014Â :Â 10:24:59 AM
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Tell me about it.
-Steve
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Posted - March 20 2014 : 9:50:19 PM
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I prefer the Athearn Hustlers with Hi-F drive, they're easy to fix, and they run fast as hell. LOL! I just got one from my Train shop job, silver with red stripes, near mint but the bands had hardened up and stretched. I replaced them with the colored ones from a store. No problem!
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Posted - March 20 2014 : 10:43:06 PM
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quote:I prefer the Athearn Hustlers with Hi-F drive, they're easy to fix, and they run fast as hell. LOL! I just got one from my Train shop job, silver with red stripes, near mint but the bands had hardened up and stretched. I replaced them with the colored ones from a store. No problem!
Jerry
Originally posted by AMC_Gremlin_GTÂ -Â March 20 2014Â :Â 9:50:19 PM
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I've seen those Hustlers before. One of them without rubber bands.
-Steve
"A lot of modellers out there who go to these train shows see broken HO stuff and go, 'This is useless' when, in reality, they can still be used for modeling whether it's as a prop on your layout or a cool project to make something old new again."
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Posted - March 20 2014 : 10:45:43 PM
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quote:For the hundredth time, use these.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Goody-Hair-Rubber-Bands-Clear-3-Different-Sizes/12018417
Are youse guys really that afraid of going into the hair care aisle? If you use rubber bands, you'll waste a lot of time scraping rubber goo off the shafts & axles when they melt.
These last forever. I've had these installed for about 5 years with no signs of deterioration. (It also helps to install a massive 24v low RPM motor. )
/tyco/forum/uploaded/NickelPlate759/20140320050149_DSCF1688-1024x625.JPG
They also make wicked traction tires.
Originally posted by NickelPlate759Â -Â March 20 2014Â :Â 05:10:00 AM
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Nelson, can you elaborate on that motor? More info please!
http://tycodepot.com/
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Posted - March 21 2014 : 12:03:24 AM
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Jerry, they were sold by All Electronics 4 or 5 years ago, so I bought a few. Haven't seen anything like it since. I've seen some with the shaft on only one end, but never dual ended like this.
It's a Mabuchi RS-365SH. It makes it run at scale speeds, and amazingly the shaft sits at the same height as the rubber band shafting (the couplings are lengths of small silicone RC fuel line tubing). The motor's just mounted on a piece of servo tape. I wish I could point you towards an equivalent, but I haven't found one on the surplus sites.
EDIT: Just found some, but you have to take the worm and encoder wheel off. These came from large scanners, probably in copying machines. They move the scanning arm back and forth.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271222941311
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Posted - March 21 2014 : 08:21:32 AM
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THANKS Nelson!
http://tycodepot.com/
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Posted - June 03 2014 : 1:11:22 PM
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quote:
LOL Shay is exaggerating a bit. Irv was making HO by 1948-49 and his first powered kits were all metal RDC's launched about 1953 with a single gear drive mechanism (one power truck per car) with Pittman motors. I have a RDC1 with said drive. The Hi-F drive was introduced in 1957. Larry
Originally posted by SOU2645Â -Â March 20 2014Â :Â 10:18:41 AM
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S: The story I've heard is that the rubber-band drive didn't exactly come from Athearn itself. It was one of their customers - a high school student, I think the story went. He'd brought a 4-unit diesel to their offices. At first Athearn was inclined to dismiss the crazy idea of a rubber-band drive...but brought it in and put it on a test track anyway. They were amazed to find out that it ran more smoothly and pulled better than their geared units. That's how the story went, and the rest is history...
I admit it's kind of hard to believe the parts about smoothness and pulling power relative to geared units...but I've also heard that Hi-F units run in multiple tended to run a lot more steadily than single units. I've never had multiple units to verify this statement with, though.
The Pacific, I'm told, didn't work very well at all. :P
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Posted - June 03 2014 : 5:58:33 PM
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quote:Stephen, The Rubber Band Drives make a great starting point for a dummy engine. If it is a B unit it can be draw-bar connected to an A unit and provide extra electrical pickup. It is a excellent way to provide space for a sound system decoder. It can be a dummy lighted unit. All you need to do is remove the drive train and find a way to keep the trucks from falling off. Regards, John ******************
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Originally posted by JRG1951Â -Â March 20 2014Â :Â 10:21:19 AM
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Usually when I find a hi-fi drive it already functions just fine as a dummy. Just remove the motor so it doesn't make noise, the axles are already free-rolling anyways. (I suppose this means I have several f-unit frames that I never thought about using... oh no... what shall I build? )
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Posted - June 03 2014 : 6:39:20 PM
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Funny but yes the rubber band drive chassis would be a natural for a dummy, why didn't I think of that? The newer BB dummys are generally horrible dummy units, very rare to find one that is free rolling. One of these days I'm going to try that setup of Nelson's with an RDC.
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Posted - June 03 2014 : 6:44:31 PM
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Relating to the RDC mechanism above, I took an old Athearn flywheel, and affixed it to the shaft. It's still a rubber band drive, but much smoother and better slow speed.
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Posted - June 03 2014 : 6:57:27 PM
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quote: quote:
LOL Shay is exaggerating a bit. Irv was making HO by 1948-49 and his first powered kits were all metal RDC's launched about 1953 with a single gear drive mechanism (one power truck per car) with Pittman motors. I have a RDC1 with said drive. The Hi-F drive was introduced in 1957. Larry
Originally posted by SOU2645Â -Â March 20 2014Â :Â 10:18:41 AM
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S: The story I've heard is that the rubber-band drive didn't exactly come from Athearn itself. It was one of their customers - a high school student, I think the story went. He'd brought a 4-unit diesel to their offices. At first Athearn was inclined to dismiss the crazy idea of a rubber-band drive...but brought it in and put it on a test track anyway. They were amazed to find out that it ran more smoothly and pulled better than their geared units. That's how the story went, and the rest is history...
I admit it's kind of hard to believe the parts about smoothness and pulling power relative to geared units...but I've also heard that Hi-F units run in multiple tended to run a lot more steadily than single units. I've never had multiple units to verify this statement with, though.
The Pacific, I'm told, didn't work very well at all. :P
Originally posted by Autobus Prime - June 03 2014 : 1:11:22 PM
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I've heard that about the Pacific too. Every time I've seen one of them they have broken pistons.
-Steve
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Posted - June 03 2014 : 7:20:35 PM
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quote:Relating to the RDC mechanism above, I took an old Athearn flywheel, and affixed it to the shaft. It's still a rubber band drive, but much smoother and better slow speed.
Originally posted by Adams - June 03 2014 : 6:44:31 PM
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I like that setup - I think I even have all the parts for it....except the RDC
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Posted - June 03 2014 : 8:39:41 PM
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Having seen the results that you guys have been having with rubber band drives I have had to revaluate my previous opinion on these as an operational dead end. There is a shop here locally that has several of these for sale at good prices. I might have to pick one up next time I stop in.
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Posted - June 04 2014 : 08:40:17 AM
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quote: quote:Relating to the RDC mechanism above, I took an old Athearn flywheel, and affixed it to the shaft. It's still a rubber band drive, but much smoother and better slow speed.
Originally posted by Adams - June 03 2014 : 6:44:31 PM
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I like that setup - I think I even have all the parts for it....except the RDC
Originally posted by JNXT 7707Â -Â June 03 2014Â :Â 7:20:35 PM
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I've actually seen an RDC at a train show with the Hi-F drive for $15 and it didn't work. It had rubber bands and everything yet it didn't make a sound when I put it on the tracks. I didn't get it for that reason alone.Also, I've seen an Athearn Hustler that didn't have rubber bands at all for like $5.I see these Hi-F drive trains at every train show I go to.
-Steve
"A lot of modellers out there who go to these train shows see broken HO stuff and go, 'This is useless' when, in reality, they can still be used for modeling whether it's as a prop on your layout or a cool project to make something old new again."
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Posted - June 04 2014 : 10:17:42 AM
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Possible motors for HI-F re-power
Short shafts but Low RPM
1 motor http://www.ebay.com/itm/torque-12V-6100RPM-0-07A-Micro-DC-Motor-Dual-shaft-Carbon-Brush-intelligent-car-/371010005802?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5661eb6b2a
2 motors http://www.ebay.com/itm/2PCS-New-12V-6100RPM-0-07A-Micro-DC-Motor-Dual-shaft-Carbon-Brush-model370-/331104361839?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4d175b9d6f&vxp=mtr
5 motors http://www.ebay.com/itm/5PC-12V-6100RPM-0-07A-Micro-DC-Motor-Dual-shaft-Carbon-Brush-for-intelligent-car-/371010005788?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5661eb6b1c
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Posted - June 04 2014 : 11:57:54 AM
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quote: Thanks for the links, JRG. I'll use them if I find that RDC or any others that don't work again.
-Steve
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Posted - June 05 2014 : 11:27:11 PM
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quote:
$5 is about the going rate for okay-condition Hustlers. I've never seen one at a show that actually had the rubber bands still on it and not brittle, and I have nine of them. I think the most I ever paid was $6 for one actually. Even got one in an original, first-year display box for all of 4 or 5 bucks. I've read of so many ways to repower these things six ways to sunday and I still haven't figured out which one I can afford and can actually /do/.
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Posted - June 10 2014 : 9:41:18 PM
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If I couldn't get $10 for a Hustler, I'd throw it in the air and shoot at it.
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Posted - June 11 2014 : 5:03:28 PM
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quote:If I couldn't get $10 for a Hustler, I'd throw it in the air and shoot at it.
Originally posted by lvrr325Â -Â June 10 2014Â :Â 9:41:18 PM
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Where on earth are you selling them then? I've had people try to give them away to me for nothing before because they think noone wants them... I got 2 variants of the black #57 for about $3 together, just out of pity since they would have been lost or thrown out if I didn't take them...
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Posted - June 11 2014 : 5:39:35 PM
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quote: quote:If I couldn't get $10 for a Hustler, I'd throw it in the air and shoot at it.
Originally posted by lvrr325Â -Â June 10 2014Â :Â 9:41:18 PM
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Where on earth are you selling them then? I've had people try to give them away to me for nothing before because they think noone wants them... I got 2 variants of the black #57 for about $3 together, just out of pity since they would have been lost or thrown out if I didn't take them...
Originally posted by PRR 4800Â -Â June 11 2014Â :Â 5:03:28 PM
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I feel the same way about stuff. Even if I don't want to use it, I still want it because it might otherwise be thrown away.
-Steve
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Posted - June 13 2014 : 8:29:11 PM
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Same place I sell everything, local shows, eBay - like I said if I can't get $10 out of it, then no one will get it.
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Posted - June 24 2014 : 9:09:52 PM
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my two bits
1 -There is a Reason these kind of drives are no longer used.
2 -But if your heart is set one getting one for the novelty of it , or the Historical Value of HO scale engineering tech , sentimental value, or something like that,,then by all means acquire one and enjoy running it !
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Posted - June 25 2014 : 12:04:11 AM
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quote:my two bits
1 -There is a Reason these kind of drives are no longer used.
2 -But if your heart is set one getting one for the novelty of it , or the Historical Value of HO scale engineering tech , sentimental value, or something like that,,then by all means acquire one and enjoy running it !
Originally posted by jbsmith966Â -Â June 24 2014Â :Â 9:09:52 PM
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The reason I want one is because of the first one and the second one you mentioned in your post. I just like older model trains because it's cool to see what the technology was like back when whatever train I see was made. I still like the newer ones though but for some reason, the older engines just have more charm strangely enough. Even if they don't work properly or don't work at all, older model trains can be quite fun getting to work again, and once you finally get it working or make it usable again, it gives you a sense of accomplishment to see whatever old model railroad item you fixed as good as it was when it was brand new or possibly even better.
-Steve
"A lot of modellers out there who go to these train shows see broken HO stuff and go, 'This is useless' when, in reality, they can still be used for modeling whether it's as a prop on your layout or a cool project to make something old new again."
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Posted - June 27 2014 : 9:46:08 PM
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This makes me wonder: does this make us model railroader hipsters, collecting everything old school HO (highly detailed, pricey RTR is so 5 minutes ago), the way hipsters collect Underwood typewriters and ironic fedoras?
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Posted - June 27 2014 : 10:10:48 PM
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quote:This makes me wonder: does this make us model railroader hipsters, collecting everything old school HO (highly detailed, pricey RTR is so 5 minutes ago), the way hipsters collect Underwood typewriters and ironic fedoras?
Originally posted by NickelPlate759Â -Â June 27 2014Â :Â 9:46:08 PM
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I wouldn't call us "US model railroad hipsters", I would call us model railroad collectors. Hipsters sound a little too, uh... punk.
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Posted - June 27 2014 : 10:41:00 PM
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I collected rubber band drives before they were cool.
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Posted - June 28 2014 : 2:46:17 PM
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quote: quote:
I collected rubber band drives before they were cool.
Originally posted by NickelPlate759Â -Â June 27 2014Â :Â 10:41:00 PM
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Now Nelson, there you are! You very fashionable person. Very trendy. And ready to explore and expand the limits of true fashion. YEP ! You are a sight to behold. frank
Originally posted by toptrain - June 28 2014 : 09:02:52 AM
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I am at loss of words...
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Posted - June 29 2014 : 01:43:43 AM
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Dude, you're so bourgeois. Stop harshing on my threads.
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Posted - June 29 2014 : 11:37:20 AM
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quote:Dude, you're so bourgeois. Stop harshing on my threads.
Originally posted by NickelPlate759Â -Â June 29 2014Â :Â 01:43:43 AM
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So basically being a hipster is better than being homeless.
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Posted - August 19 2014 : 3:46:59 PM
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I love this vintage piece. The rubber band drive has a little delayed "sproing" action which carries it through circuit interuptions. The bands will dry out and rot if not loosened when not in use, I have found. Here is a short video clip of it in motion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijmQjglqnmg
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Posted - August 19 2014 : 5:59:07 PM
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quote: The rubber band drive has a little delayed "sproing" action which carries it through circuit interuptions. Originally posted by Chops124Â -Â August 19 2014Â :Â 3:46:59 PM
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I can just hear the slack running in and out of the couplers as I watch the "spring action" lurching along. If you pull a caboose, make it a bay window; not so far for the conductor to fall."
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Posted - August 19 2014 : 6:04:45 PM
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quote: I love this vintage piece. The rubber band drive has a little delayed "sproing" action which carries it through circuit interuptions. The bands will dry out and rot if not loosened when not in use, I have found. Here is a short video clip of it in motion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijmQjglqnmg
Originally posted by Chops124Â -Â August 19 2014Â :Â 3:46:59 PM
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I know I may sound like an idiot here but, um, how do you loosen up the rubber bands?
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Posted - August 19 2014 : 7:12:29 PM
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You people scare me. I'm already collecting HO antiques - the REAL antiques, 1940's cardboard side, those Tyco things are so last year - and if you look at me I'm halfway to hipster already.
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