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 Posted - February 12 2014 : 11:53:35 AM
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I have several examples of early General 4-4-0 locomotives, two of known vintage (1961) and one that I suspect is of even earlier vintage. These all have two holes in the top of the cab to accept the steam whistle. The only steam whistles I've seen have only two points of attachment, one going to the steam dome, the other to the top of the cab. However, an early Tyco catalog (1958-59-ish I believe) show the General with a steam whistle with three attachment points, One going to the steam dome, and two to the top of the cab. My question is: Was the three point whistle a pre-prodution only version, or were production models equipped with them? If so, in what time period were the three point whistles appropriate for an accurate restoration?
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Posted - February 12 2014 : 11:58:32 AM
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hi vbco1964,all my generals have what you call a three point attachment,but only 2 are used,so i cannot answer question,other than to say never seen a 3 point one ken
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Posted - February 12 2014 : 12:06:05 PM
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| What vintage are your examples? All of mine were missing the whistle and I have replaced them with the two point whistles, but if the correct whistles are to be found, I would like to know who might have some. If the 1961 examples had the three holes but the two pipe whistles were actually original to that vintage, then I'm OK.
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Posted - February 12 2014 : 12:08:41 PM
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| the mantua generals i have are 51/52 and late 50s/60s,i will be using the spare hole for bell pull ken
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Posted - February 12 2014 : 12:11:54 PM
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| i can honestly say,i have never come across a three point whistle ken
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Posted - February 12 2014 : 12:24:26 PM
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Here's a picture of Set T-8 depicting the General with the three point whistle. I just pulled a late model boiler and cab (one piece boiler and stack casting) from my inventory, and it too has the two provisions on the cab. 
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Posted - February 12 2014 : 1:25:27 PM
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| i know they show the 3 point whistle but as i said never seen one,all cabs and i have lots are 2 holed,never seen a one holed roof for the general,ken
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Posted - February 12 2014 : 1:37:22 PM
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Thanks for the info, Ken! Being fairly new to Tyco collecting, I just thought I'd throw this subject around, as I've never seen any other than the 2 point whistle either! 
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Posted - February 12 2014 : 2:31:35 PM
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| hi vbco1964,firstly hang around as someone may come up with the answer,ken
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Posted - February 12 2014 : 4:28:06 PM
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The 1958 Tyco Catalog shows a 2 point whistle on the Western & Atlantic General. It also shows a 2 point whistle on the Central Pacific General. The illustration with the 3 point whistle is from a 1957 catalog.
I have a Mantua replacement part list for the General dated 9/52. It has an illustration of the General with a 2 point whistle. The part number is 8604. I also have a New Mantua replacement parts list dated 11/78. It has an illustration of the General with a 2 point whistle. The part number is 8604.
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Posted - February 12 2014 : 4:34:24 PM
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| hi waw47 the original question was,can you get or was there ever a three point whistle ken
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Posted - February 12 2014 : 5:40:31 PM
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SOunds like a rare piece! The whistle is the first part to get missing on this engine.
" Heck with counting 'em rivets, TRAINS ARE FOR FUN! Not called the Mad Scientist for nothing either!"
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Posted - February 12 2014 : 5:46:05 PM
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| we are not talking about standard whistle but one that fills all three holes,all mine only have 2 but in instructions one with three,i have never seen it ken
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Posted - February 12 2014 : 6:13:36 PM
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Ken, the answer to both parts of the question is no.
The early Generals had one point whistles. The molder could used wire to make the whistles two or three points. Sometime around 1958 Mantua/Tyco started using the 2 point whistles.
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Posted - February 12 2014 : 6:32:23 PM
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Instruction #9 will shed light on why there are 2 holes on the cab roof.
http://hoseeker.net/assemblyexplosionMantua/mantua440generalpg2.jpg
http://hoseeker.net/assemblyexplosionMantua/mantua440generalinstr1951pg2.jpg
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