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Well guys, I see this car, at the Greensburg train show, today and got to say, I liked it the second I seen it. Not sure tho, who made it...... Looks like an intense kit built model, BUT its highly molded details, don't lead me to MDC Roundhouse, Or even Athearn, and I don't think Penn Line done anything like this BUT, that leads me towards Varney. anyone know? Have a look!



With one door in the "down" position, from it being a Drop Bottom Gondola.....





Complete car, but I have no idea who made it.....that be a good one to know in order, to find more of them in time.....Anyone know? And about what time frame it was made? (I seriously doubt its been made in the past 15 or maybe even 20 years!)

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This car is by Ulrich.

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Yep...Ulrich, from the 60s, 70s...nice find.
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Ulrich.....question is, are they rare and what were they normally used for? Gravel or something dumped along side or through "coal trestle" type areas? I thought first, a Beet car............but?


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It's a side-dump gondola. Probably would be used to spread ballast before they started making them out of hoppers, or in place of them. Complete with no metal rot issues and working they aren't too common; if you got it for $10 or less you did good.

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lvrr, well its not a side dump...........its a drop bottom gondola.....Spread ballast, sure they could, but it seems as tho these would have taken a real poundin' just to spread ballast......These look to have more soft type loads like Beets or something.....Its an interesting car. Why? I am an "open load" guy.... and this one, I'm not sure I can "open load it" and show the detail of the working drop bottom hatches!!!!!
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** John here is a pair of photos of 2 more with their boxes.
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Frank, NICE! I like the looks of the high ended one. that's different!

I'm just trying to figure out a eastern road that had them now, and use they would have used them for.....

(I want some more of these!!!!) BUT, you ALL knew that... coming from me anyway....

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John! Great score!! Those cars typically sel for $10-$12 each if correctly listed.

Here are a few of mine:

This first pic are some I purchased last week. (almost this week's COTW choice):



This is an old pic of a few I have stashed away... waiting to be put into service. A few more have since been added:


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If them hatches open on the outer side, I have to tell you, the stuff in it is going to come out at a 90' angle to the rails...
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I've got a GN # 75910, different lettering and herald set up... KD's and arch-bar sprung trucks... found it for $5.
Always wondered what it exactly was.

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I've got the same GN car, found it in a mountain of junk for $2. Also a custom-painted Michigan central one, which is an absolute beauty, but which I must confess I greatly overpaid for it (around $30 I believe) One thing I noticed, everyone's cars have a variety of bettendorfs on them, yet both of mine came with the original trucks, some really fine-looking sprung Vulcan trucks with what look like brass wheelsets. Is it unusual for them to have these trucks (which since I found them on both and never anywhere else, I assume are the originals)?
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Here is a page describing the uses for drop-bottom gondolas on the Rio Grande RR.
http://www.drhs315.org/blog/projects/drop-bottom-gondola/history/

As I understand it, drop bottom gondolas were more popular on western railroads and hoppers were more popular in the east, though I am sure that is just a general pattern and not an immutable law. Here is another general guide on the subject:
http://mrr.trains.com/~/media/import/files/pdf/7/5/f/transition-era_gondolas.ashx

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darn I even saw one of them at the CRRM too one year
Or they could be different ones not sure

Edited by - microbusss on December 10 2013 5:35:44 PM
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quote:
John! Great score!! Those cars typically sel for $10-$12 each if correctly listed.

Here are a few of mine:

This first pic are some I purchased last week. (almost this week's COTW choice):



This is an old pic of a few I have stashed away... waiting to be put into service. A few more have since been added:



Originally posted by Mustangs_n_Trains - November 25 2013 :  3:24:54 PM



Sean,
Got any to part with? In trade? I'm sure I can come up with something for a single car!!!!!

BUT you got a collection, DANG!

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I've got the same GN car, found it in a mountain of junk for $2. Also a custom-painted Michigan central one, which is an absolute beauty, but which I must confess I greatly overpaid for it (around $30 I believe) One thing I noticed, everyone's cars have a variety of bettendorfs on them, yet both of mine came with the original trucks, some really fine-looking sprung Vulcan trucks with what look like brass wheelsets. Is it unusual for them to have these trucks (which since I found them on both and never anywhere else, I assume are the originals)?

Originally posted by PRR 4800 - December 06 2013 :  7:29:15 PM



Got pictures of the Vulcan trucks under the car? I'd like to see that as I may have that type truck as I seem to have a BUNCH of Vulcan trucks......Metal ones, sprung too!

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quote:
Here is a page describing the uses for drop-bottom gondolas on the Rio Grande RR.
http://www.drhs315.org/blog/projects/drop-bottom-gondola/history/

As I understand it, drop bottom gondolas were more popular on western railroads and hoppers were more popular in the east, though I am sure that is just a general pattern and not an immutable law. Here is another general guide on the subject:
http://mrr.trains.com/~/media/import/files/pdf/7/5/f/transition-era_gondolas.ashx

Originally posted by scsshaggy - December 10 2013 :  2:54:22 PM



Don,
Thanks for that. VERY informative on those cars.. I'll have to figure out a way to justify one or 2 of them on my eastern railroad......Hmmmmm

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I'll have to figure out a way to justify one or 2 of them on my eastern railroad......Hmmmmm

Originally posted by EM-1 - December 16 2013 :  01:35:25 AM



You could leave them lettered for a western road and either receive a shipment from the West or send a shipment to the West.

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Reason for spotting a car which is far from home...

I live in Kamloops, BC Canada...

I frequently see boxcars and center beam bulkhead flats labeled AOK.

I used to wonder why they are all the way up here!

Then, I see a string of gondolas CSXT, CONRAIL... and then...



This is quite the western North America and north across the border about six hours... but this pic' was also taken Summer of 2013, too!

Someone may chime in as to what AOK is. We're all a okay, otherwise.

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AOK is a shortline Arkansas-Oklahoma RR that operates a couple of disconnected branch lines. With freight car deregulation they own freight cars in general pool service, so they can go to/from anywhere.

The return of the NYC mark was a creation of the CSX-NS split of Conrail and applied to Conrail freight cars aquired by CSX. Locomotives that went to NS recieved a PRR mark.

Even prior to deregulation, a car could go anywhere it was needed, if you in Maine purchased a product from a shipper in California, it would come to you in a car from whatever road the shipper was located on.
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AOK I sees a TON out here Some of AOK cars are ex-BNSFs or UPs!!
NYC & PRR are companies formed out of the MEGA merger of NS & CSX taking over Conrail
They has NOTHING to do with the original PRR or NYC
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Those AOK cars (and I've heard there's about 20,000 of them) have absolutely nothing to do with AOK the railroad... they're all owned, subleased, and managed by Greenbrier leasing... they just rent the reporting mark from AOK because it's cheaper.
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Oh, and I saw a REAL NYC gondola (okay, you could only see the PC lettering, the cigar band was no longer visible) with the early-70's-era-typeface Conrail patchjob up in Newburgh, NY a few months ago. Next to it was an unpatched SCL gondola with the big yellow "SCL" on the side. And these were in revenue service still! </braggingfoamer>
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On the contrary, the NS-CSX split more or less undid the PC merger and the names were chosen based on the original ownership of most of the lines each road took over.

PC cars could be either NYC or PRR, but given it's been over 40 years since the merger it's not that likely you saw a revenue service car. 40 years is generally the limit for them.
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Well, all I know is they were on an active industrial siding and not a one of the four cars there said anything about maintenance on it. One was CSX, one was conrail oxide, and then those two oldies.
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They are sturdy and heavy. Well made.
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