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 Posted - January 27 2013 : 04:55:17 AM
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From the time when HO was 1:50 !  - Erich
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Posted - January 27 2013 : 11:04:50 AM
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Nice kits Erich.
Leaving them in the boxes would probably be the right thing to do but I'd be itchin to put them together.
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Posted - January 27 2013 : 11:41:00 AM
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Well guess someday I'll go back to that antique store & get ALL the Varneys
Real cool , man 
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Posted - January 27 2013 : 11:42:56 AM
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quote:
From the time when HO was 1:50 ! - Erich
Originally posted by Erich - January 27 2013 : 04:55:17 AM
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They must not know what scale was, then, because Lionel is around 1:48 , those Varney cars would have to be huge to be at that scale. LOL
Jerry
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Posted - January 27 2013 : 12:25:00 PM
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| nice catch there erich,ken
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Posted - January 27 2013 : 10:26:07 PM
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quote: quote:
From the time when HO was 1:50 ! - Erich
Originally posted by Erich - January 27 2013 : 04:55:17 AM
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They must not know what scale was, then, because Lionel is around 1:48 , those Varney cars would have to be huge to be at that scale. LOL
Jerry
Originally posted by AMC_Gremlin_GTÂ -Â January 27 2013Â :Â 11:42:56 AM
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H O 1/2 O Scale Half O scale... 1:50 ...makes sense to me.
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Posted - January 28 2013 : 08:47:06 AM
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When you buy to run, you build the kits. When you collect, you dont. You keep them the way they came from the factory. Erich get some clear plastic and slide it inside for a new window. keep the dust out.
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Posted - January 28 2013 : 09:31:37 AM
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I will build them because I am a vintage model railroader
and I like to run them with my Casey Jones and a Varney caboose!
I have an unbuilt Varney wood kit and other kits from different brands and they will also be built!
So I like to use them for what they are made for!  - Erich
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Posted - April 29 2013 : 3:06:00 PM
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Very strange...as Varney used to do 0 scale.
How can H0 "used to be" 1:50?
I've got a bunch of Varney cars in original boxes, I'll have to go look and see.
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Posted - April 29 2013 : 3:38:56 PM
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I'm gonna take an educated guess here.
I believe the 1:50 is a price.
Here is an Athearn box, from these forums:
It says 4:95, which I recall was the price I paid for my last new one.
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Posted - April 29 2013 : 11:41:38 PM
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HO scale is 1/87.
Book says original list price on these cars was $1.49. 2669K is a generic kit box. 1:50 is very likely the price.
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Posted - April 30 2013 : 10:47:46 PM
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Nice set!
It doesn't take guts to do some research. And in this case, I can agree that a Colon can be used instead of a Period... if perhaps the dollar sign "$" was not available in mass-box printing because "$" could be mistaken as a scale size next to an inventory number.
However, as in my previous comment, 1:50 is also a proper ratio, One Half the size of "O Scale" the measurement between the rails. One Half or Half O Scale is where "HO" originates.
TT, I learned was "Table Top" trains as opposed to a larger scale...
OO was the UK equivalent to HO since there was no "O Scale" designation in the UK/Europe.
O27 was given to "O Scale" trains that could negotiate a 27 degree curve, which also allowed for less than 30 inches space needed to set-up/operate a train.
"N Scale," I believe, is the easiest to title to identify since "N" stands for Nine Millimeters of space between the rails. Perhaps the first "Meter Gauge" model train size to arrive in the U.S.
That's what I learned.
1:50 ($1.50) and the ratio from "O" to "HO" scales... they've covered two identities in one printing. 
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Posted - April 30 2013 : 10:57:01 PM
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I lost you. Sorry.
0 is 1:48, Half 0 (H0) is 1:87. British often is 1:45. How is 1:50 half of 0? I'm sure the explanation is in there, I'm just not following well tonight. Sorry.
Dave
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Posted - April 30 2013 : 11:04:04 PM
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www.lionel.com/ForTheHobbyist/AboutGauge
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Posted - April 30 2013 : 11:23:10 PM
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Sigh. I know the page. The scale is the reduction, generally with a : between. The gauge is something totally different..roughly 5/8" for H0, 1-1/4" for 0.
"At 5/8 inches wide (with a scale of 1:87), HO is exactly half the size of O gauge. Lionel made HO gauge from 1957 to 1967."
Not quite, as half would be 1:96, but close enough for government work.
I suppose the thing that has me confused was this:
"H O 1/2 O Scale Half O scale... 1:50 ...makes sense to me."
You can have many scales on one gauge, or many gauges on one scale.
Let's take #1 gauge..there are 5 major (and several minor) scales. 1:32, 1:29, 1:24, 1:22.5, and 1:20.3.
Let's take H0....and H0n3. Same scale (H0), different gauges. Straight bH0 calls out standard gauge, n3 means 3' narrow gauge.
While narrow gauge cars are in the real world generally smaller that standard gauge cars, the ratio remains the same from the prototype.
0n30, calls out 0 scale, 30" gauge (or, as some would call it, 0n2-1/2)
1:50 is awful close to full 0 scale of 1:48.
Oh, and some wag back in the late 40's, did a piece in MR or RMC, where he measured all the Lionel stuff he could get his hands on, calculated the scale from those measurements, then averaged it, and Lionel 3-rail (before the Scale 0 stuff) worked out 1:52 or 1:53.
You run all Lionel, you'll never see it, but one full scale high car and you lose the illusion.
Dave
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Posted - May 01 2013 : 11:05:42 AM
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guys, 1:50 is the PRICE
Like 4:95 is hehe
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Posted - May 01 2013 : 11:58:13 AM
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| That's what I said. I can't figure out how we ended up with it being the scale...and for h0, no less.
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Posted - May 02 2013 : 06:34:40 AM
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| I posted the MSRP right out of the dang Greenberg guide, which I presume was taken from an original catalog....
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Posted - May 03 2013 : 7:57:34 PM
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...the Half O Scale...
Not half of 1:48 = 1:96
The Half of O Scale is Only half The Distance between the Rails.
1:50 is the Price $1.50
1:50 is the size dimension comparison difference between the rails O to HO scales.
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Posted - May 03 2013 : 8:35:50 PM
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Maerklin developed gauge. Scales are a function of gauge. Scales are designated by the ":" between the numbers, generally "1" indicated prototype, the second the reduction of the prototype scale.
Maerklin developed 1,2,3 and more gauges.
Doesn't mater what the gauge is unless specified differently than 4' 8-1/2".
1:50 is not any scale. It is never a gauge. The question here was not about gauge. The gauge is Half Zero, which Maerklin did after they developed 0 or "naught" or "zero" gauge, then someone developed smaller motors, and it was "oh, what shall we do?" and it became half zero.
Even 0 is not right. 56.5" reduced by the scale factor of 48 is 1.177"
In 1:48 we currently use about 5 foot gauge (1.25" X 48= 60").
That is why there is Proto48, which is almost 1/8" narrower track gauge...still 1:48.
It's all done with smoke and mirrors anyway.
If 0 was done correctly, to scale, the half 0 gauge would not be where it is today. It would be about 9/16" instead of about 5/8". H0 is .650 (unless you measure some flex track), which is made to 1/2 the WRONG track gauge, but, hey.
Smoke and mirrors.
Dave
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