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Hello all,
I have an odd, non-train related request. I live in New Mexico. I need to find a supply of oak and/or maple leaves. Neither tree is easily found out this way. Any chance one of you more Northern or Eastern members could send me some? They need to come from the ground, not directly off the tree. Last years leaves would be perfect!!
Thanks!!
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Posted - February 10 2012 : 5:15:58 PM
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post your address, i can get you some of both. how much do you need?
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Posted - February 10 2012 : 5:18:57 PM
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| I need as much as possible! A large flat rate "shoebox" jammed full would be great. I will PM you with an address. Let me know shipping costs and I can paypal or other to repay you.
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Posted - February 10 2012 : 5:38:49 PM
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By the way Smokie those Maple Leafs are only American facsimilies. 
The real ones have to come from here, "The True North Strong and Free". They have been "blooded" by my fore-bearers and Kin in two different World Wars.
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Posted - February 10 2012 : 8:14:35 PM
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i'll try & get some tomorrow after work. it would be a good idea to remind me. my memory is as short as my  ...
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Posted - February 11 2012 : 12:40:04 AM
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quote:By the way Smokie those Maple Leafs are only American facsimilies.
The real ones have to come from here, "The True North Strong and Free". They have been "blooded" by my fore-bearers and Kin in two different World Wars.
Originally posted by romcat - February 10 2012 : 5:38:49 PM
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Boy, that was a little syrupy. 
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Posted - February 11 2012 : 07:57:30 AM
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maple syrupy?
Hypo,
If you don't mind, you've got me curious, what are you planning to do with these leaves?
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Posted - February 11 2012 : 4:39:30 PM
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Hey NC,
I need the leaves to feed some new incoming native millipedes. The species are native to the East coast and do best with a supply of hardwood leaves. Oak seems to be the prefered type with maple being a distant second.
By the way, for those who don't know, I am an entomologist. I take live and dead arthropods to schools and cub/boy scout groups for presentations. I get great responses from the kids when I take out the live giant millipedes. The millis are big, slow, and safe for the kids to handle. The kids faces really light up when they feel the milli legs running across their arms.
Now you know why Romcat often refers to me as "Ant Man"! Ants are one of my favored critters to keep.
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Posted - February 14 2012 : 12:36:47 AM
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Not too weird, Mike. I've always been a bug lover myself, and wanted a tarantula the worst way when I was a kid. 
Do those monster millipedes give off an unpleasant odor like their much smaller cousins?
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Posted - February 14 2012 : 07:53:16 AM
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quote:Hey NC,
By the way, for those who don't know, I am an entomologist. I take live and dead arthropods to schools and cub/boy scout groups for presentations.The millis are big, slow, and safe for the kids to handle.
Originally posted by Hypoponera - February 11 2012 : 4:39:30 PM
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Ok, so now I'm curious , do smaller millipedes bite? I've heard they do, so I've been wary of picking those up. But they don't look dangerous. Since you might know, figured I'd ask you.
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Posted - February 14 2012 : 09:05:09 AM
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Believe it or not Nelson, I hate spiders! I don't know why though. I'm not afraid of them and I have kept a few Black Widows recently. But I just have no desire to have a huge, fuzzy spider running around. My oldest son loves them though Fortunately for him we have plenty on the property.
No, millipedes don't bite. Their "jaws" are not very strong. Millipedes are scavengers and don't have a need to subdue dinner. However, centipedes are predators and they ARE all venomous. The giant centipedes found in the southern part of the US can give a nasty bite. I know from experience! But the venom isn't normally dangerous. The smaller centipedes can bite, but I can not comment on the potency of the venom.
Millepedes do have the ability to release a defensive fluid from pores along the sides. It does smell bad and can temporarily discolor the skin. The really nasty stuff comes from the flat millipedes. The fluid they release actually generates cyanid gas!! Not enough to effect humans, but the millipedes can gas themselves if kept in too confined of a space.
I'll try to snap a few photos and post them tonight.
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Posted - February 14 2012 : 09:54:53 AM
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Cyanide gas defense. Fascinating stuff, the design of these creatures.
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Posted - February 14 2012 : 11:43:16 AM
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Here are some photos I posted on a European bug forum:
These are native to the SE US. Get about 5 inches long.
http://www.bugnation.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=211&t=47794
Another native species, from Eastern US. It also reaches about 5 inches. This is an albino.
http://www.bugnation.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=211&t=47796
Same species, but non-albino.
http://www.bugnation.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=211&t=47795
A non-native species from Thailand region.
http://www.bugnation.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=211&t=47596
Not great photos. I will try to get some good shoots of my 12 inch long AGBs.
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Posted - February 14 2012 : 11:46:02 AM
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Whoa... giant bugs and creepy crawlies? That's awesome! I have both maple and oaks on my property (or access to plenty of leaves) so if you need more, let me know.
I bet those millipedes are fun. How hard are they to take care of? They've had those at the nature conservatory and outreach events near here and have always been among my favorite attractions. I wouldn't mind having something unusual as a pet... wanted a tarantula, too, but got out-voted. When I was nearly bit by a rogue Black Widow last fall I caught it in a jar and watched it hatch a ton of spiderlings... aiyiyi talk about horrifically beautiful - nature's train wreck, if you will...
(and then the question: what do you do with a jarful of black widows? Oops...)
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Posted - February 14 2012 : 11:58:14 AM
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Hey Tony,
I would be happy to get those leaves! I can never have too much. All my exotic millipedes love oak and maple as well, but they can survive on the ash I can get now. The US natives don't do well on the ash. Mine are surviving on it now, but not well.
The giant millipedes are about as easy a pet to keep as I have found. Much easier then the exotic mantids I've had for years. Let me know if you want some. I have some spares I can send to you come April! They are this species:
http://www.millipeden.org/pages_php/Milli_62_01.html
The adults reach about 6 inches long.
Chances are these are what you see at the outreach, the AGB:
http://www.millipeden.org/pages_php/Milli_62_06.html
They get HUGE! About 10-13 inches long and 1/2-3/4 inch wide. I have a male and female, but they have not managed to reproduce yet. They take up to 5 years to mature and can live another 10-15 years as adults.
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Posted - February 14 2012 : 12:16:44 PM
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| Jar of black widows should quietly make it's way into the nearest freezer. Afraid black widows and little kids DO NOT go together!!
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Posted - February 14 2012 : 3:11:47 PM
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I hates spiders too, Hypoponera unless it plastic & rubber spider toys hehe
How about snakes? 
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Posted - February 14 2012 : 4:09:43 PM
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quote:Jar of black widows should quietly make it's way into the nearest freezer. Afraid black widows and little kids DO NOT go together!!
Originally posted by Hypoponera - February 14 2012 : 12:16:44 PM
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Oh, true that... but I used it as an educational experience, with the requisite warnings and lecture, etc. I had grown up being taught to fear black widows myself, but had never actually seen one until just recently, so that was a good thing.
Before they hatched, my girls were fascinated (as was I) watching this deadly creature display its maternal instincts and protect the egg sac. After they hatched.... yeccch. You'll be pleased to know your solution is essentially what we did by leaving the jar outside, taped no less, while it got cold. I would have preferred something more humane, but that kind of takes a back seat to the thought of hundreds of poisonous invaders near your house. And what if they escape the jar if you try something else? It's bad enough thinking there are probably more "mommas" that I haven't seen or caught nearby...
...and with that thought, nighty-night everyone!
I'll round up some leaves next time I do yardwork and send 'em your way. Least I can do for that DVD and other stuff. Be in touch about the millipedes later on... I'm sure the girls will enjoy them, but then again...
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Posted - February 14 2012 : 5:03:58 PM
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Black widows are cold blooded. So freezing is about as humane as you can get. They get cold and fall asleep. They just never wake up again. So don't feel guilty about it. But you had a great learning experience to share with your girls. Maybe one will grow up to be a great biologist and she'll fondly remember watching the Widows with dad!!
Thanks for the leaves! Keep me in mind come fall if you need to "get rid" of the next batch to fall!
No buss, I'm not afraid of snakes. Got a healthy respect for the rattlesnakes I remove from my yard every summer though. I've only had to kill one so far. The others were all caught and released.
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Posted - February 14 2012 : 5:05:25 PM
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i haven't forgotten you, it's just been nasty outside with all the rain & cold.
i've seen those big ass millipedes in the mountains around her. i had one crawling on me (after i put it there) & my wife was freaking out. i also like the big writing spiders. i'll get one of those & let crawl up my arm & up on my face just to freak the wife out.
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Posted - February 14 2012 : 5:26:52 PM
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Hey Jerry,
No problem! I did not think you had forgotten me. Our weather is going to hell at the moment as well. 40mph winds, low temps, and it is starting to rain/snow. We may have another white morning tomorrow. Granted, it will all be gone by noon.
It's those "big ass" millis I need the leaves for! I probably have the same species as your seeing. I'll happily let the millipedes walk all over me, but I will leave the spiders to you!!
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Posted - February 14 2012 : 5:39:22 PM
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Posted - February 14 2012 : 6:57:43 PM
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ok cool Hypoponera Did see this 4-5 foot long bull snake last year while mowing out in the country
Yes did freak when I saw it hehehe 1st thing I looked at was it's tail to make sure it wasn't a rattler 
long Ain't it?
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Posted - February 14 2012 : 8:06:43 PM
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that's a pretty snake. i like them too as long as they don't surprise me.
Hypoponera, will it matter if the leaves are wet or bunched up? i'm sure i can get a lot of food in a small box for you.
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Posted - February 14 2012 : 10:26:04 PM
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Hey Smokie,
Nope. Doesn't really matter much at all. Might want to shake off some of the excess water just to make things neater for packing. Bunched, crushed, mashed, is all fine as well. I will dry and then shred the leaves once I get them. Thanks again!!
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