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 Posted - July 10 2022 : 9:36:59 PM
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I found this at a train store yesterday and bought it for a good price, but there are no markings on it. The shape of the shell leads me to believe it is a Gilbert or Varney F2/F3? But the dummy chassis has a place for a coupler box, which can't be used as there is no opening in the pilot of the diesel. Depending on the manufacturer of the shell, were there ever any undecorated shells produced?
   
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Posted - July 15 2022 : 01:33:16 AM
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RP,
Some Gilbert diesels have three sets of two steps, but the steps were filled in. Other Gilbert diesels have open steps - 1 step below the cab, 1 step above the rear truck 2 steps at the rear. So, I think your engine is a Marx, which has three sets of 2 steps that are open (not filled in).
I don't ever recall seeing a Gilbert shell in grey.
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Posted - July 15 2022 : 9:30:20 PM
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quote:RP,
Some Gilbert diesels have three sets of two steps, but the steps were filled in. Other Gilbert diesels have open steps - 1 step below the cab, 1 step above the rear truck 2 steps at the rear. So, I think your engine is a Marx, which has three sets of 2 steps that are open (not filled in).
I don't ever recall seeing a Gilbert shell in grey.
Originally posted by Brian4321-July 15 2022: 01:33:16 AM
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Alrighty, so it is a Marx. I'll unscrew the chassis from the shell to see if maybe the name is stamped inside the shell.
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Posted - July 22 2022 : 2:51:18 PM
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That's hard to identify exactly. I have read Varney made stuff for Gilbert, including the F units.
Varney in later years to compete price-wise went plastic. Identifiers on first glance is single horn in the middle, not two, and it's cast integral. The shell is peaked down the middle. The steps are same as Varney plastic. Here is a shot from TCA of a plastic Varney F:
Front coupler is typical. You get to hog out the hole, for whatever you want for couplers. Some of my die cast Varney F units were the same.
Used to get them as giveaways at shows.
Fuel fill, sand hatches, horn, ladders, number boards all the same.
From TCA:
In 1955, the by then Miami, Florida based Varney Co. produced a whole new and varied line of HO trains, for the A. C. Gilbert Company, makers of the 'S' gauge American Flyer trains, called Gilbert HO. Varney provided A-B F-3 EMD diesels along with stock, hopper, a cement car, oil tank cars, and a Reading style caboose.
So, hard to tell.
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